The thing about it all is that what he says and what he does or would do are different things. I watch the podcast often. They do love each other. Bob is a broken guy and I think they mentally they are in this attitude that they have to defend their side at all costs. It's really eye opening listening to the podcast. The mom even admits it one time. The son said something reasonable and the mom played devil's advocate, the son called it out and the mom flat out said she's doing it because she HAS TO defend her side. That's the mentality. It's not about reason or logic, it's defense and so they can go to absurd places and say whatever as long as they never concede a loss to the leftist kids.