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Some of the very worst of the worst liberal takes, apologia for fascist shit, and of course cryptobro grifts and even Tesla worship keep coming from there. It's fucked.

I don't want to say all programmers or tech workers are like that, but I don't like what I've seen so far from people with a .programming suffix on their names. disgost

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As a programmer, I'm here to say that my people are not alright.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Backing up this claim sadly.

Programmers are usually either libertarian types, the worst type of radlib imaginable, or cool anarchists/communists and it skews heavily towards the first two.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've noticed programmers leaning leftward the longer they're in the workforce. Watching the machines of commerce from the inside has a very sobering effect, particularly if you're not one of the guys getting paid out the nose for the privilege.

But straight out of college? I'll admit it. I was a Ron Paul guy.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Making something that can provide value to the company in perpetuity, and then having the company forget you did that and demand more, over and over again, while they're still profiting off the first thing, really is some of the purest alienated labor.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I've noticed programmers leaning leftward the longer they're in the workforce

Explains a lot for me personally, and the surprisingly positive interactions with colleagues when politics are brought up

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I wish the core principles of the hacker ethos weren't so utterly hijacked by libertarian ideals. I think being a keyboard-jockie or an E-wizard should make us more likely to fight the system not want to be a part of it. I feel like being a 9-to-5 MEGACORP programmer turns people into the ad men of yore without the cool suits.

It's so strange to me that at my MEGACORP job so many of our developers and IT professionals think all this stuff is cool and good. I know a lot of people have to drink the kool-aid to get through the day, but i thought we were all supposed to do what you do in the cartoons and throw it on the plant that comically withers immediately. I have meet some cool anarchists/socialist/communists types here and there on the job, but it seems like it's less and less each year.

Not on some doomer-shit, just sayin' it's important now more than ever for techo-dweebs to openly talk about leftie ideals in regards to tech.

programming-communism anarchy-heart

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think being a keyboard-jockie or a techno-wizard should make us more likely to fight the system not want to be a part of it.

If Shadowrunner has taught me anything, its that the quest for money makes assholes of us all.

Not on some doomer-shit, just sayin' it's more important for techo-dweebs to openly talk about leftie ideals in regards to tech.

When I'm eyeballs deep in a trashy implementation of Microsoft DevOps, I can find it hard to be an idealist because I just want to scream at my coworkers all the time.

Good coding is as much about good organizing as advanced technical skills. And good organizing isn't a skill the modern Western workforce cultivates.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When I'm eyeballs deep in a trashy implementation of Microsoft DevOps, I can find it hard to be an idealist because I just want to scream at my coworkers all the time.

BRO FOR REAL THO! I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY! HOLY SHIT WE WOULD HAVE SO MUCH BETTER TIME DEVELOPING IF WE TOOK LIKE EIGHT SECONDS TO ADDRESS THE HOW'S AND WHY'S OF CONFIGURATION RATHER JUST FOCUSING ON THE "DELIVERABLES"!

Good coding is as much about good organizing as advanced technical skills. And good organizing isn't a skill the modern Western workforce cultivates.

Agreed, and this is a really big thing we need to address both from a tech and labor perspective (well I guess they are one in the same when you think about it). Organization is really what MEGACORPS really truly hate, every bit of software is meant to be "plug & play", every thing is modular, everything is a node unconnected to any other node. Nothing is really meant to be a whole. Nothing is meant to planned everything is ad-hoc. Everything is a part, especially individuals members of teams. No one really works together, no one is really on teams, it's just collections of discrete entities. These companies want all the benefits of organization with ever allowing actual organization to come about because we all know it wouldn't be organized like this.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

last time I was on a dev team, there was maybe 1 or 2 people who would actually comment/document their code, tag what bug ticket they were addressing, or do any kind of human communication outside of an agile meeting. the rest would just autopilot through everything with a hyper-competitive mindset and and not extend any kind of courtesy or cooperation to any peers. it was... depressing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'm the second kind but I'm lazy and apathetic instead of competitive.