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Part of it is that the vast majority (all?) of the communist regimes of the 20th century pretty rapidly descended into authoritarian hellscapes (Democracy/Capitalism took a few decades to catch up...). So people tend to less say "Well. The horrors that unfolded in X were a result of a misapplication of the core tenets of communism" and instead "My family literally had to flee a communist regime because we were being ethnically cleansed"
Part of it is that Democracy/Capitalism won and very much built up Communism as a bogeyman for obvious political reasons.
And the last part is that... Communism fundamentally requires a central source of power/truth. You can't have a managed economy without folk managing it. Which, inherently, centralizes power which is one of the big first steps towards authoritarianism. Similar to how Democracy fundamentally enables populism and Capitalism oligarchy.
Anarchist communistic projects in Catalonia (1930s), anarchist Ukraine (around 1917), etc.: "Are we a joke to you?"
I don't know much about Ukraine but I know the one in Catalonia had roving gangs of "law enforcers" who would execute "capitalists/fascists" without trial, so I'm not sure it's an ideal to look up to.
It sure wasn't perfect. But it was a libertarian socialist counter-example of revolutionary socialism to what the bolsheviks were doing.
My guess is that the majority of communist regimes were killed by external countries.
Just a hunch, can't bother to look at numbers though, but thinking about people like Sankara.
Imagine not falling into the Orwellian hole, not perverting language with conflations and inversions.
Imagine "communism" was still used in the original sense as coined by anarchist political philosophers, at least 5 years before Marx ignored Bakunin and usurped it, stripped the freedom aspect, and handed it over to the tankies (and all the capitalists and imperialists gladly played along).
Imagine communism like Kropotkin and Bakunin would have meant it.
Fully decentralised. Maximally mutually freedom affirming.
Imagine people were so thoroughly availed education instead of indoctrination, and thus were immunized against such perversions of language and thought. Not confusing totalitarianism for [anarcho-]communism, nor fascism for democracy, just because some deceivers intentionally mislabeled them to usurp all power for themselves.
Imagine "democracy" really meant organised by the people, not re-presented by the oligarchs.
Imagine not falling into the Orwellian hole.
Imagine undoing generations of this deeply entrenched Orwellian corruption of language and thought.
*Dreamer*
I would be interested in seeing compiled statistics of how many fell without capitalist interventions.
The CIA themselves have stated how active they were in the 20th century with corrupting, breaking down, and ultimately overthrowing communist regimes and installing dictators.
But also socialism with worker owned co-ops and only infrastructure and regulations through a central government may somewhat be a good direction to go.
The crux seems to be that all forms of government are susceptible to authoriatarians because people themselves are very susceptible to authoritarian strong men and propaganda, inherently.
Good thing Americans didn't ethnically cleanse in our history... Right.
Padme face
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
But thanks for showing your tankie ass. I have increasingly been assuming the shitjustworks instance is all right wing lunatics and libertarianisms. Good to know folk like you are trying to meet in the middle.
Lol I'm just saying we're not exactly the good guys either and maybe ethnic cleansing has less to do with the governmental system in place and more to do with other aspects
Edit: Also, tankie really? Y'all motherfuckers don't know what words mean jfc
Prrrr, shhh, let them have this. It’s been a pretty good thread, and they stand out as weird. It’s fine.
Hahaha fair enough, literally was in another thread the other day talking about exactly this, people throwing around tankie in contexts it makes literally no sense haha.
Your #1 mistake is assuming that users on a decentralized social media instance are a monolith.
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Lemmy/the fediverse is a decentralized social media platform. Each instance is actually quite centralized. And, like all message boards, different cultures emerge. Whether it is because they have boards on given subjects (and shitjustworks has a shocking amount of "conservative" boards) or because people of a particular vibe have their friends join the same board.
I would say it is still very much at the dot ml level but I have increasingly noticed that most of the "The real problem are people who don't support the troops" and similar dog whistles end up from shitjustworks.