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Post truth world (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

Climate change- no opinion. It changes daily. Or I’m just too dumb to understand it.

Then listen to the experts, who all agree it's 1) man made, and 2) going to make life difficult for us. And no it doesn't change daily. That's the weather, the weather changes daily, but the weather isn't the climate. Climate change affects the weather, causing more extreme weather events, but it's not the same.

Trans ppl- I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?

You don't agree with what? With who they are? How is that a thing to disagree on? Did you choose to be cis? Neither do they choose to be trans.
Listen to the experts.

God- I am a Christian. More specifically a Southern Baptist Christian. Like I said previously though, I like to think not like some of the crazed lunatic Christians out there. From an early age I was taught to love all walks of life. My church has a saying. Be it cliche or whatever. But the saying is this— “Hate the sin. Love the sinner.”

As long as you or your church aren't advocating that we all have to follow your church's doctrine, I have no issues with this.

Guns- Absolutely dangerous. I’m Pro-2A. There’s some unhinged ppl out there that just shouldn’t own firearms. Mental health evaluation and gun safety courses should be mandatory before being able to purchasing any firearm.

On this we agree.

Immigration- 1000% ok. But only when done through the proper and legal channels. My family immigrated to the US many years ago from Ireland so I cannot get on board with illegal immigration.

And how do you think the "proper and legal channels" should look like. Especially for people fleeing their homeland because of events happening there.

Women- Human, obviously. None of us would be here without them.

Sure, but do they have bodily autonomy? Can they choose to have an abortion? (see my point under the "god" section)

State funded healthcare- not educated enough on this matter to have an opinion.

Fair enough

Public transport- could work in larger cities/metro areas. But what about rural areas? How well would that work? Genuinely asking.

Buses and trains work long distance too. Would you like the option for people to go to the city from your rural town, even if they don't own a car or if their car has broken down? A bus service could do that. Even if it only runs once per 2 hours or so.

Bikes(?)- motor or pedal? I don’t understand this one.

I think they're talking about bike lanes.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Buses and trains work long distance too

    It's less about the distance and more about the distribution. It's really hard to come up with solid bus routes to cover how rural America is distributed. My area has been trying repeatedly to extend the municipal mass transit into even the suburban areas and has struggled to come up with any vaguely decent coverage. You basically need people to move into a more orderly arrangement.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And how do you think the "proper and legal channels" should look like. Especially for people fleeing their homeland because of events happening there.

    Now you’ve elaborated on the subject of immigration further than the original commenter. I’ll do my best to answer with the limited knowledge I do have.

    By proper and legal channels I mean applying for a visa or green card through the USCIS. From what I know/understand a visa/green card can be obtained/applied for through Family Sponsorship, Employment-Based Visa Program, Humanitarian Program, and (I admittedly had to look this one up) the Diversity Visa Lottery which sounds like it’s for people from countries with low immigration to the U.S.

    Now to more specifically answer your refugee question— I absolutely believe that these people should be allowed to come to the U.S. But like I said, legally. And heck, maybe even have their citizenship (if they so choose to become citizens) fast-tracked due to the extenuating circumstances from which they escaped from.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for writing that down, seems fair enough to me.

    But like I said, legally.

    Most people try to do it legally, if the option is there.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for taking the time to ask questions and try to understand my views and beliefs without vilifying me for it. It was a nice change of pace from the typical argument that usually happens.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm trying to better myself, and not assume so much about other people.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Likewise. It’s kind of why I’m here. I got very irate with someone on Reddit a few days ago. Something I had not done in a very long time. But I said some things that I should not have that got me a permaban from Reddit. So here I am with a fresh mind, trying to be a better person.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Then listen to the experts

    You say that like it's trivial. How does one determine who the experts are without sufficient knowledge in the area to begin with?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If they're saying "No one else is telling you this", they're not an expert. But you're right, it's not easy.

    I should've said "go where the consensus is", especially if you don't have any knowledge on this yourself.

    Don't think you know better than anyone else, because you heard one person say that things are different than what "tHe MaIn StReAm TeLlS yOu"

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    go where the consensus is

    I'm pretty sure that's what most people are doing already. If everyone around you says climate change is a hoax, then that sure sounds like a consensus.

    This is one of those questions that keeps nagging at me. I have the resources to actually go and learn about things and build a sufficiently large world model to filter out a lot of BS. But in areas that I'm less well versed in and that aren't covered by my world model, I realize that I have no idea who the experts are or how to find the consensus without doing tons of reading. If I've read enough to determine the consensus position, then I'll have absorbed enough of the material that I can be considered somewhat of an expert myself. So how can I possibly convince someone else without making them go through that whole process themselves? You probably don't have an answer to this, but any ideas are welcome too if you happen to have any to share.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I knew I should have added "Scientific consensus" because sure, if you follow the neighbour down the street into his or her conspiracy rabbit hole, you'll end up believing that climate change is a hoax invented by "the Jews" to hide the "fact" that the earth is flat, and that we never went to the moon, and that Bush did 9/11.

    If you don't have knowledge, and don't know where to start, then it's not your place to convince someone else. All you can say is then "I don't know either", which is a full sentence.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I should have added “Scientific consensus”

    I don't think that changes anything. For example, I'm not a nutrition expert, but it's an area I'm very interested in and I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject. I still have no idea what the scientific consensus is on anything in the field, especially when so many papers end with "we know jack shit about this, but at least this study moves us forward a little bit".

    If you don’t have knowledge, and don’t know where to start, then it’s not your place to convince someone else

    I'm talking about areas in which I do have the knowledge. It's not a reasonable expectation for someone else to go through the same process that I did to gain all that knowledge. I can scream "CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL BECAUSE LOOK AT THESE EXPERTS" as much as I want, but the other party will still have no way to verify my claims, or that these experts are actual experts and not some cherry-picked scientists.

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