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Hexbear’s entire point in federating was to fuck shit up. (lemmy.ca)
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[+] 97 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)
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  • [–] 53 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    I have literally never once seen a pro-Putin post.

    Really? I see so many anti-Clinton, anti-Biden and anti-Democrat posts here. You literally supported Russia’s illegal electoral interference to undermine our democracy. You were the reason we got Trump. You are pro-Putin, just admit it.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Is this an actual bot? You got me if so.

    If not: USA does bad thing

    But they do bad thing

    USA bad thing is worse

    USA tries to be good

    USA kills millions and destabilizes the world

    You wouldn't vote for harm reduction

    "Harm reduction"

    Conservative bad

    Oh here we go, it's the most important election again, right?

    Putin's puppet

    Ukraine should surrender the two pieces of land so they can stop fighting

    Not how it works

    I wouldn't go to bat for a place that has no interest in helping a socialist project. It's not my war

    Incrementslism

    We're incrementing away with shit like abortion restrictions

    Conservatives

    It happened with democratic majority

    Not supermajority

    Lucy and the football

    If you voted for them-

    "If you voted for them 🙄"

    All Putin's talking points, see, Hexbear be like

    See, not a single leftward consession. Do you think it was brunch losers who canvased for Biden? Professional losers

    I hate you

    Dumb lib

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    that's not how it works line in regards to the Donbas leaving Ukraine really gets to me. They use it constantly whenever you you bring up what is the most likely outcome of that war. How do they think it works?

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  • [+] 52 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 56 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It's pretty wild watching some people go around in circles from "We need to end the war!" "So there should be a negotiated peace?" "No, you tankie fuck, we need to crush Putler!" "So... you want to keep throwing Ukrainians in to the grinder until you run out?" "No, we need to end the war!" "So, there should be a negotiated peace?" and on and on from there until they become frustrated by your inability to understand that if they just manifest it hard enough Putler will run out of missiles and the Russian army will collapse and Ukraine will counter offense or some bs like that.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    To paraphrase a Daily Show quote: “You’ve confused a negotiated settlement with always getting everything you want"

    I don't know how they think this war is going to end. Anything other than a complete Russian capitulation will seem unacceptably morally compromised appeasement.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    Based on absolutely no solid information I assume that Ukraine has to collapse at some point. I didn't get the impression they were doing very well, and news reports say they've been struggling to feed their guns for a long time. NATO is already losing interest and a trickle of a few tanks a year from now it's going to change the course of the war.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Their favorite argument is "the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out"

    And it's just... Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there's like a zero percent chance of that happening. So if you actually want this shit to end you have to come up with a realistic solution. It's almost as if the world doesn't work on thoughts and prayers.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    This is also incredibly naive.

    A strongly militarised contingent of ultranationalist groups has been in a state of war against Eastern Ukraine. They're more powerful than before, they have the backing of the state, and they've got a taste for blood.

    If Putin pulled out tomorrow, the idea that they'd just demobilise and that they're wouldn't be any reprisal actions against the people in the Donbas region is just... unfathomably ignorant of recent history and the conditions in the Ukraine.

    Imo there's zero chance that if Putin pulled out that we'd see an end to the war. It would simply morph back into a civil war situation again.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Their favorite argument is "the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out"

    And it's just... Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there's like a zero percent chance of that happening.

    And what's the probability of a state just giving up territory?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago*

    Pretty high.
    They were negotiating a peacedeal that was so close Boris Johnson had to go immediately to Ukraine and stop Zelensky.

    Now tell me: If large parts of a country is occupied, and those parts have voted for separation from said country, and the country is unable to continue fighting, what do you think will happen?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It's brain-melting that these people who care so deeply about the lives of Ukrainians and their right to self determination will about-face the moment that you raise the issue of the state of civil war in Eastern Ukraine was in since 2014 and the right to self-determination for people in the Donbas region.

    They'll literally go out of their way to call you an apologist for Putin and shit. Like, bruh, Ukrainians have been dying for nearly a decade now and you only started giving a shit about it when the media told you to, and even then it's only a curated, selective concern for the lives of Ukrainians.

    Free Hong Kong! Free Tibet! Free Hawaii! Free Puerto Rico!! Free Donetsk and Lugansk!

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    Not to mention that war with Russia could have easily been avoided if at any point in those 8 years of Ukraine killing civilians, it had lived up to the promise it made in Minsk and Minsk II of just giving the eastern regions autonomy and a vote on self-determination. That was always the only major demand from Russia.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I really don't get how people can't understand that it's possible for a person to support something and also admit it's flaws. Like, people are really out here not understanding dialectical thinking. It IS possible for something to be two things at once.

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