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Hexbear’s entire point in federating was to fuck shit up. (lemmy.ca)
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[–] 56 points 3 years ago (3 children)

It's pretty wild watching some people go around in circles from "We need to end the war!" "So there should be a negotiated peace?" "No, you tankie fuck, we need to crush Putler!" "So... you want to keep throwing Ukrainians in to the grinder until you run out?" "No, we need to end the war!" "So, there should be a negotiated peace?" and on and on from there until they become frustrated by your inability to understand that if they just manifest it hard enough Putler will run out of missiles and the Russian army will collapse and Ukraine will counter offense or some bs like that.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    To paraphrase a Daily Show quote: “You’ve confused a negotiated settlement with always getting everything you want"

    I don't know how they think this war is going to end. Anything other than a complete Russian capitulation will seem unacceptably morally compromised appeasement.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    Based on absolutely no solid information I assume that Ukraine has to collapse at some point. I didn't get the impression they were doing very well, and news reports say they've been struggling to feed their guns for a long time. NATO is already losing interest and a trickle of a few tanks a year from now it's going to change the course of the war.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Their favorite argument is "the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out"

    And it's just... Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there's like a zero percent chance of that happening. So if you actually want this shit to end you have to come up with a realistic solution. It's almost as if the world doesn't work on thoughts and prayers.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    This is also incredibly naive.

    A strongly militarised contingent of ultranationalist groups has been in a state of war against Eastern Ukraine. They're more powerful than before, they have the backing of the state, and they've got a taste for blood.

    If Putin pulled out tomorrow, the idea that they'd just demobilise and that they're wouldn't be any reprisal actions against the people in the Donbas region is just... unfathomably ignorant of recent history and the conditions in the Ukraine.

    Imo there's zero chance that if Putin pulled out that we'd see an end to the war. It would simply morph back into a civil war situation again.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Their favorite argument is "the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out"

    And it's just... Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there's like a zero percent chance of that happening.

    And what's the probability of a state just giving up territory?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago*

    Pretty high.
    They were negotiating a peacedeal that was so close Boris Johnson had to go immediately to Ukraine and stop Zelensky.

    Now tell me: If large parts of a country is occupied, and those parts have voted for separation from said country, and the country is unable to continue fighting, what do you think will happen?

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