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Not everyone stays a hero
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this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2025
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Yes, if you help murdering people, you help murdering people and I don't care on bit about your tragic backstory! Having a difficult life does not excuse becoming a fucking monster!
Forcing everything in your life into binary "good" and "monstrous evil" isn't going to help anything. You're just adding more hatred into the world, and there's plenty enough of that as is.
Holding people accountable for voluntarily working with the nazis absolutely does help
I'm saying that when you sit at a table with nazis you're going to be counted as a nazi. In the event of violence no one is going to check your level of collaboration before throwing a punch or pulling a trigger.
Just to be clear, you're defending a user that is branding anyone acting in desperation a "monster", as well as assassins that explicitly targeted a non-cis person for death for their minimal involvement and murdered children as a matter of course. This is really the lane you wanna be in?
You're defending someone who helped Nazis willingly, just because they weren't cis. That really the lane you want to be in?
There's no note of desperation she experienced and what makes you think the resistance wasn't desperate? The Nazis killed 1.5million kids. War is hell and bullets economical or otherwise don't magically avoid children. France had 80% of domestic food being commandeered to Germany and enforced a 1300 calorie rationing. Not to mention forced entry of French men for STO, military Brothels, and the killing of ~75,000 jews. At what point do you think Violette should have stopped activities that supported the Nazis? When do they say "enough, no more"?
She may not have even been the target, as noted the a bailleul family was part of the vichy France regime. If she was the target I can guarantee they weren't looking back with the 20/20 hindsight we have and were going off the reports calling her the hyena of the Gestapo. Information reliability is going to be low in occupied war zones.
I'm not defending them. I've consistently only advocated for more compassion than the binary "hero" and "monster" allows for. Because in a worldview where those are the only options, apparent bigotry and the murder of children isn't considered a problem even 100 years after the fact, as long they were seen to be on the right side.
We need to be able to think on a spectrum of morality, otherwise we're just inviting more horrors into the world that hide in plain sight under the guise of "righteousness".