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[–] 49 points 1 year ago (42 children)

even as an american, american cheese is disgusting.

I can taste the emulsifier they add to it so it "melts" nicer.

I will disagree with pasta and cheddar, though. Mac and Cheese is wonderful. (well. from scratch mac and cheese. blue boxes need not apply)

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    There is a time and place for Kraft mac & cheese.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (18 children)

    yhea, and it is making it with real cheese.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Ive grown to really enjoy Kraft singles on burgers and grilled cheese over the last several years. I come from the land of Tillimook cheese but personally can't stand it on the above mentioned items because it's just so damned greasy when you melt it and waters down the taste of everything else with grease flavor.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I'm confused, both of those are American cheese.

    i meant American and American, not as cheese singles that is barely legally cheese

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Well maybe i need to try cheddar made outside of the US on a burger to see how I like it. Kraft cheese is American cheese so I thought you meant the "style" of cheese not the country of origin. From what I've heard, Tillamook cheese is pretty popular in a lot of places though

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In my experience, there's not much reason to try a burger outside the US.

    Tillamook is my go-to brand, by the way. Their ice cream is unbeatable, especially their Sea Salt & Honeycomb Toffee, which is the most amazing ice cream I've ever tasted.

    I also don't love a sweaty cheese on my burger, even if it's Tillamook.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Tillamook and Umpqua (another local brand) are my go-to for ice cream, I just don't care for their cheddar when it's cooked on burgers though I do like the shredded version on pasta. Their cheddar is great on sandwiches though!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Kraft cheese is American cheese

    It's literally not, go read the label again.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children)

    You mean an LLM can be wrong? Ya don't say. You're actually demonstrating the issue that I have... Since LLMs take their data from shit people say, it thinks American cheese = Kraft Singles, because that's what people seem to think. Whether or not is true is irrelevant to it.

    No label in that photo btw. Read a label itself.

    From the wiki:

    Kraft Singles do not qualify for the "Pasteurized Process Cheese" labeling,[4] as the percentage of milkfat in the product that comes from the added dairy ingredients is greater than 5%. Kraft had used label "Pasteurized Process Cheese Food", which allows for a greater percentage of added dairy, until the FDA gave a warning in December 2002 stating that Kraft could not legally use that label any longer due to a formulation change that replaced some of the non-fat milk in the recipe with milk protein concentrate, which is not a permitted additive. Kraft complied with the FDA order by changing the label to the current "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product".[5] Kraft Singles contain no vegetable oil or other non-dairy fats.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Singles

    "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Is Wikipedia wrong too? "Kraft singles" is used whether the brand is Kraft or not just like Kleenex and Kool-aid. My previous screenshot doesn't even mention Kraft by name, which you obviously didn't notice before ranting about how "wrong" AI is and how smart you are. Jesus christ dude...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    If what's pictured there is Kraft Singles Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product, then yeah, that photo is inaccurate for the article. Read the actual text of the article that I quoted above and you ignored.

    Kraft singles” is used whether the brand is Kraft or not just like Kleenex and Kool-aid.

    This hasn't ever been the case in anywhere I've ever been. But maybe I don't consume garbage faux cheese, so I'm out of the loop in terms of lingo.

    This is a dumb argument, but it was decided by the FDA decades ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Wow how amazing that everyone and everything is wrong on the topic and only you know the real truth despite not being able to demonstrate what American cheese actually is if not this.

    It must be a giant conspiracy between me, Wikipedia, Google, and Big Cheese to make you look foolish over something that you just admitted you never possess or consume. Thank goodness we have a seasoned expert here in the comments.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Bro what are you even talking about? Have you still not read the text that I copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia?

    Someone mistakenly uploaded a photo of what appears to be Kraft Singles Pasteurized Dairy Product to the article about "American cheese." No conspiracy needed, just human error.

    The page for "Kraft Singles" is very clear about whether or not the FDA allows them to call it "cheese" (they do not).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    So then show us what American cheese is oh great one. All you seem to be able to do is claim that everyone else, including your own source, is wrong on the topic while being completely unable to demonstrate what American cheese is despite multiple requests.

    Based on your original comment, you seem to be under the false impression that American cheese is any cheese that's made in the United States, which is quite hilarious considering how smug and holier-than-thou you've acted during this whole exchange.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This is such a weird exchange. The attitude and unnecessary snarkiness started with you. At most, I matched your energy.

    If you've got a problem with anything I've said, take it up with the FDA

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    My "attitude and snarkiness" of posting a picture of American cheese with zero text? You're so deluded and I find it quite comical.

    Why are you still unable to demonstrate here what American cheese is? It should be so simple for someone with such vast knowledge of the world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Mmmmmm cheese.

    You're certainly behaving like a person that finds something comical lol. You're really mad. It's kind of crazy.

    Weird hill to die on, dude.

    Oh and p.s. Kraft Singles still isn't American cheese. We're on the Internet, I think you can confirm this and then figure out the rest. Not going to indulge you in some attempt at a "gotcha" when I don't define fucking "American cheese" the way you want.

    Go figure it out yourself

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Kraft Singles aren't American Cheese (like literally, they're legally not allowed to call it that). I wish people would stop associating the two.

    Actual good American cheeses exist. A favorite of mine is Cooper Sharp American.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Kraft singles are the standard "American cheese", which is legally not actually cheese.

    But yes, there are plenty of other perfectly good cheeses made in America. I think the US is best known for Vermont cheddar.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    To be fair to American cheese, I think the fact that the only thing anyone says about it is that it’s not legally cheese gives people the impression it’s spooky chemicals. It’s really not so bad. Here’s the recipe:

    8 ounces solid mild cheddar
    ¼ cup nonfat milk powder
    2 tablespoons tapioca starch
    ⅜ teaspoon salt
    2 tablespoons butter
    ¼ cup dry white wine
    ¼ cup water

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    mac and cheese is something else, you wouldn't put parm on that. but practically every other sauce needs some real parm on top.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    They mean all cheese manufactured inside the United States, not the product titled “American Cheese,” as in the yellow slices like Kraft Singles, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Go read a Kraft Singles label from any point in the last two decades and show me where it calls itself "cheese."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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    Oh that's relatively harmless. Sodium coming from salt as a metal or thru a precipitation reaction, and citrate is something derived from a fungus.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's also the main electrolyte ingredient in a few electrolyte drinks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Here's the Wikipedia article on them: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Electrolyte

    For simplicity's sake, they are salts, acid, or bases that can suspend themselves in a polar liquid, like water, and can conduct electricity.

    They help maintain the body's ability to hydrate, and are critical in maintaining nerve and muscle functions, since they are electric tissues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thats not how chemistry works.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You mean like mixing citric acid which is usually obtained from a fungus and sodium bicarbonate? That reaction creates CO2 gas the carbonate part of sodium bicarbonate. That leaves only the sodium after it bonds to the citrate ion which leaves extra H2O behind which is just water. That? But you could do all sorts of other reactions to get the sodium to come off something else.

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