It was a rather sombering thread, that echoed quite a bit of what I've been saying about .ml, the Triad, general toxicity of their Tankie "ideology" for months now.
I know @[email protected] was speaking of general toxicity, but the Triad is a huge chunk of it, the culture they create...festers it. They comprise the bulk of the hostility, I've personally seen it over and over and over again. All the "Just go back to Reddit" or "just another lib Redditor refugee" comments for someone that dared to have nuance.
Hell, I saw hex users fucking cheering .ee's shutdown because it was some sort of psyop/CIA/fed/lib/"They didn't perfectly agree with me" instance. They call feddit.org a "Nazi Zionist" instance for the crime....of not wanting to be arrested and complying with German law...
I haven't looked to see if they've started any "celebratory" posts about Dubvee yet and I also don't really want to, if they're there, I already know what they're going to say in it -_-
Unfortunately, I fear the problem was far worse than I thought.
Ptz speculated that the toxicity has "metastasized". And you know what? He might be right, it seemed to be a lot better off 2 years ago, now....now I feel we might be losing the battle against the toxicity and I don't think PieFed will be enough. Complacency has set in
My hope was that with enough instances defederating from .ml and the rest of the Triad, it would be a tad easier to take down toxic Tankies, trolls and their alts. But, few wanted to burn the bridge with the toxic main devs' instance and now it might be too late. (Cheers to @[email protected] and the lemmy.cafe instance, one of the few of note to actually defederate from the entire triad!)
Like ptz said and I fully agree with, this place started with promise 2 years ago, but it appears to be ultimately morphing into 4chan (or like I've been saying, Voat 2.0) after all
Oh well, I've got some thick ass skin so I'll probably be here till the end, till the last sane instance shuts down.
I'll see you there @[email protected]
/Sadmemerant
Heck, maybe I'll do a hail Mary and start an instance on a custom fork of lemmy with "normie proof" onboarding while dumping a few hundred in ADs (Maybe even on Reddit itself, HA!). I'll flood this place with "normies" LMAO
From the day those protests started Lemmy was far far worse than Reddit for anyone but further left progressives. I have fat more often been called a Nazi here for like warm takes. It's a spectrum and Lemmy is definitely a far more toxic place then reddit is if you don't agree.
yep yep! ive been called a nazi because I psoted about the Green Party lol
I know exactly nothing about the green party but like Jesus fuck you'd think leftists would have learned that's an important word to stop diluting given many of us are living under a system slipping into actual full blown fascism and it's an increasingly big problem globally
Its so painfully harmful to leftist causes to go around accusing your fellow leftists of being a nazi for not being your exact flavor of left. We all need to cut that shit out and grow some emotional and interpersonal maturity.
Thats because in general the "leftists" that occupy spaces like ml arent really leftists at all, they are anti-western idologues. You will very rarely see them posting about things left wing people tend to care about like workers rights, cost of living, housing or things like that. They are far more interested in geopolitics, especially on issues where they can make "west bad" posts.
While I understand your argument that their ideology is defined in large parts by other factors than political alignment, I do see them talk about those kinds of things, specially through the lens of demanding communism as a resolution to those problems, or calling for the abolishment of the class that facilitates those problems 😅
I saw some research about this recently let me see if I can find it, it was based on reddit communities but I think it applies to lemmy as much if not more.
ah here it is
can u break down what thats saying?
Essentially that there a bunch of far-left users (in reddit in this case but in other places too) colloquially refered to as "tankies". They are noticably different from other groups and the centre- and far-left in what they talk about, who they associate with, and the agressiveness of their discussions.
They are far more focused on parroting the offical state position of the CCP, DPRK and Russia, far less interested in social issues and more interested in geo-politics, and far more likely to use violent language "kill the libs" etc.
The authors show this by looking at a huge chunk of reddit posts seeing who posts what, where and how communities link to each other.
This figure
is hard to understand at first but instructive once you do. For each of the word pairing the word on the left is what the tankie subreddits use and the one on the right is what the non tankie far-left subreddit in that column uses, the number is how strong this difference is. For example the blue one in the third column (Zelensky - Trump) means that the tankies use "Zelensky" in the same way the r/DemocraticSocialism uses "Trump", presumably talking shit about them. It gives a sense of just how different the discourse is between them and even the groups who you would expect to be ideologically most similar to them, and how they hugely prefer to use terms and framing that the Russian and Chinese government do.