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Testing the Waters
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The real question is why the hell did democrats buy into this obsession with deporting people who live and work in our communities and not question the alarming ideology at the heart of the growing fear democrat politicians dutifully did their job to stoke alongside their more passionate Republican colleagues and friends?
No, still more concerned about the existential crisis in front of us. We can worry about the immigration thing later. Hell, im all for people being here. Immigrants tend to make communities better, not worse.
That's like thinking "I need to do something about the guy trying to murder me, I'll worry about the knife he's holding later". You cannot beat fascism with almost fascism; the real thing will always win that fight.
Well said, neoliberals and centrists better get this through their head before this isn't anything left to fight for.
Are you suggesting im a neoliberal? Bcz im not. Everybody on lemmy isn't a centrist or neoliberal when you dislike something they said.
I do have to agree with the other guy; ideas like "but muh coalition!!!" and "we gotta ally with the proto-fascists don't be so divisive!!!" have a fair amount of support on the left too, but they're neoliberal talking points through and through. You usually hear it from the DNC as "we can't alienate the moderates," but fundamentally it's the same idea.
Maybe in this context you are acting like one?
Okay dude, you can assume whatever you want.
No, its really not. We need to beat fascism before we worry about what the democrats were doing 8 years ago..
To beat fascism, you need to understand it. To understand fascism, you need to understand how the democrats are not only controlled opposition, but they are complicit.
Tom Homan, Trump's Border Czar, was originally an Obama pick.
Every single democratic senator just voted to confirm Marco Rubio, and he answered by doing fascism in short order.
You can't get snippy with people rightly calling you out for spewing liberalism as you attempt to refocus attention away from the democrats who enabled this devolution into fascism. The liberal fixation with defending democrats as they usher in fascism is bizarre.
on the contrary I think it unfortunately makes perfect sense, I don't doubt that most neoliberals and centrists are genuine in many ways in their desire for a better world, as we all are!... but because of that imagine if you suddenly were being forced to come to terms with the fact that your ideology that you have made some kind of intellectual, material, philosophical, social or whatever sacrifice for wasn't helping make the world better... no... imagine that realization dawning on you like a jet black bird of prey... maybe all the corrections you made to the otherwise natural courses of things around you were actually contributing to this dark tide filling the empty spaces around you... and were did all the laughter go?....?
What would you do in that moment? You would probably instinctively run, that is what my kneejerk reaction would do. The responses you are seeing that are confusing in their bizarre fervousness need to unknow only look confusing because running away from the truth looks a peculiar way in conversations that are supposed to be two way streets.
Screw what the Democrats were doing 8 years ago; the problem is what they're doing now and will keep doing. And do you know what they're doing now? Glorifying "law and order," attacking Palestinian solidarity, suppressing leftwing dissent and a whole lot of deliberate nothing. You can't defeat fascism without an alternate vision for the future, and the Democrats neither have one nor will accept you providing one. You can't ally with these people and expect to get things done, but I digress. More importantly, how do you expect to beat fascism without addressing the fascist talking point? When fascists point at you and say "see, they want to keep the RAPISTS and CRIMINALS in our great country," what will you say? "Lalala I can't hear you"?