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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I remember seeing a debate online during and post-COVID about automating service jobs with robots and AI and seeing people online doing the whole "Marx didn't predict this!!" routine. I'm like, Marx predicted it as close to someone in the 1800s possibly could have.

“Once adopted into the production process of capital, the means of labour passes through different metamorphoses, whose culmination is the… automatic system of machinery… set in motion by an automaton, a moving power that moves itself; this automaton consisting of numerous mechanical and intellectual organs, so that the workers themselves are cast merely as its conscious linkages.”

And to that end:

Labour no longer appears so much to be included within the production process; rather, the human being comes to relate more as watchman and regulator to the production process itself… As soon as labour in the direct form has ceased to be the great well-spring of wealth, labour time ceases and must cease to be its measure.

This is literally what some Trump admin goon was saying on TV a few weeks ago. "Well the factories will have robots in them but we'll need people to maintain the robots!"

Marx caps that off with:

Capitalism thus works towards its own dissolution as the form dominating production.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not only that, but they are really telling on themselves and their lack of understanding of industrial history (not that we are actually taught any of that at any point).

Automation has been a thing since literally the 1780's when Oliver Evans created the first completely automated flour mill. The principles of automation on smaller levels of have been understood for even longer that.

Marx didn't even need to predict it, it was already something that existed and therefore needed to be accounted for as a possibly technological progression for his theory. If anything, part of his theory was explaining why it wasn't more prevalent!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Exactly. That's why I'm constantly yelling at people newsflash-asshole that Marx isn't doing some kind of esoteric theological analysis. Don't mystify it! He's logically looking at the dominant mode of production, identifying the internal contradictions, and critiquing it.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

He does do some level of discussion of that around the transformation of value to price. But what he is basically talking about is how the capitalist mystifies the process of that transformation, and thereby makes it appear natural, and in doing so, cuts himself a profit. In the same way, he also discusses the idea of fetishization of commodities and the commoditization of people.

In doing so though, he is not discussing esoteric processes. These are everyday processes that occur all the time.

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