▲ 587 ▼ Trump's Cognitive 'Decline' Suggests He 'Might Not Make It Through Four Years,' Republican Strategist Says (www.latintimes.com) submitted 1 year ago by MuskyMelon@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 167 comments fedilink hide all child comments Come on stroke!
[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 147 points 1 year ago (8 children) Trump dying sounds good until you consider he'll be replaced by JD Vance permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 102 points 1 year ago (5 children) JD Vance dying sounds good until you consider he'll be replaced by Mike Johnson. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 82 points 1 year ago (8 children) And Mike Johnson tells his son every time he cums permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) Amazing. Assuming this is true, and he actually gets any, he can hit his son with "I came in your mom last night." It may lead to billions in therapy bills, but thet kid is getting the closest thing to the 2006 public Halo game experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago His son’s phone alert goes off with the camgirl tip noises dingdingdingdingding “DAD it’s CHRISTMAS EVE” permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children) I was curious how far down the line of succession you would have to go to find someone who would not be a catastrophically bad president. 11 positions down is the Secretary of Labor, Lori Chavez-DeRemer. She's a Hispanic woman who was one of 6 Republican house members who signed a pledge to respect the results of the 2024 election, the only Republican cosponsor of a pro- union bill, and opposes a national Bank on abortion or IVF. Far from Ideal but light years better than the rest of the fascists on the list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children) It would be nigh impossible for that outcome though. If trump dies, Vance assumes the role but then selects a new VP. This new VP is now first in line and Johnson hasn't moved up at all. It would take the synchronized deaths of all those others in line ahead of Lori Chavez-DeRemer for her to get the position. This is a known possibility so they generally keep people separated to some degree. That way if someone wants to plot a mass assassination to clear the line, it's much more difficult. They couldn't just try to bomb one building or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Kiefer permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So how did she get a cabinet level position? I'm honestly confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, we're fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago Christ, what a list of absolute scumbags. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What if all 18 are taken out then what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Vance can pick anyone to be his VP I believe, so it likely wouldn't be Johnson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Envy@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) They're referring to the succession in an emergency. After that i think is speaker pro tempore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed. Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago If there is an opening in the VP spot, the President nominates a new VP. But that VP still has to be confirmed by both houses of Congress before he can be sworn in. The only way Johnson becomes president is if a) Trump dies, Vance nominates him, and Congress confirms it, or b) both Trump and Vance kick the bucket at the same time which automatically puts Johnson in the White House. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago just gather them all and let a single mortar shell loose permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (3 children) JD Vance doesn't have the following or the charisma to pull off the nonsense Trump does. MAGA doesn't work without Trump. Anytime MAGA has been in an election without Trump it fails pretty spectacularly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] calabast@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe, but if he inherits a full on police state, he might not need charisma or followers any more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago Maybe, but I don't think it will last. I think Trump has a better chance at getting a third term than JD has at getting a first term. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't work. Even a police state needs a base of support in the populace or it doesn't last long. The constant pressure of enforced conformity is too much for the system to endure. Also, under fascism, the second string guys are chosen for loyalty first and competence second. If the central guy dies, they fight amongst themselves and nobody wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 1 year ago (8 children) I don't want Trump to die. I want him just in the edge of mental degradation so there's a constitutional crisis. GQP will hesitate to 24A him cause MAGA would revolt. It would be an extremely lame duck presidency. I want Trump to live long and quiet enough that he's forgotten. I want him to survive a Cat-5 hurricane that destroys Mar-a-Lago. I want him to drool uncontrollably in a wheelchair while they take down his name down from buildings and golf resorts and turn them into shelters for the homeless and asylum seekers. I want all his sons turn into Viserys III Targaryen, paupers and laughing stocks that people entertain out of pity, not respect. I want him to live a long life in interesting times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I think they’d Weekend at Bernie’s him to pass the worst legislation you’ve ever heard of. If it’s unpopular Trump gets the blame and he’s too incapacitated and impotent to lash out at them. Basically what Trump accused the Biden admin of doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I mean, thats what they're doing now. He'll sign whatever they put in front of him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago "He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago That practice isn't rare in authoritarian states. George III, Stalin, Nero, probably Mao. Now TACO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) It would be an extremely lame duck presidency. It already is. Haven't you seen him sign those executive orders and it's immediately apparent he's never seen or read it before that moment? He doesn't have any clue what he's going to sign before they put the paper in front of him. Trump is in the White House for two reasons- make himself richer and avoid prosecution for his crimes. Everything else that's happening is being masterminded by someone else. Smart money is on Stephen Miller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago It's one part Stephen Miller one part Heritage foundation. I believe it was Steve Bannon that previously referred to Trump as an "empty vessel." These people promise him the chance to grift to his hearts content and they pour their agenda into him. His whole Biden auto pen thing is more fucking projection... He has very little idea what he is signing, he's just signing off heritage foundation wishlists and going about his day shitting himself and yelling at people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain means." It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever. That sounds delightful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I’ll take “horrifically nauseous and hovering over a toilet forever and ever” for 400, Alex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) "Trump is going to die any day now" is a thing people were posting in 2018. It's a thing people were posting about Vladimir Putin in 2018. It's all court gossip and click bait bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago There's a subreddit dedicated to telling you if Trump has died yet permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Let's hope it happens before the 2 year mark so it counts as a full first term for Vance permalink fedilink source parent [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) The fewer shit stains the better. And while JD is pure evil, he doesn't have the cult of personality that Shitler does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That would be the main hope, that once Trump's "charisma" is taken out of the picture, MAGA might start to lose enthusiasm. But it would take some time for the MAGA momentum to wind down, and the authoritarians-in-waiting would be keen to consolidate power quickly and insulate themselves against the opinions of the masses. So then the next hope is that they all start fighting among themselves so hard that the damage any of them can do is limited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Draces@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Them consolidating power is still better than that same power already consolidated permalink fedilink source parent [–] JHRD1880@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago I'm not too sure. Sure, he's VP but he's also not that popular with MAGA. If Trump would go (in whatever way possible) I'm sure it'll lead to infighting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago JD Vance is garbage, buuut... he's just another horrible GOP person, really. The thing that made people afraid to resist Trump was his cult-like base. They've tried multiple successors, and no one has even come close to capturing the same unconditional love of this racist moron by those pieces of shit as Trump. If we as a country have a final chance we don't deserve, it's Trump dying from his beloved "hamberders"... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 102 points 1 year ago (5 children) JD Vance dying sounds good until you consider he'll be replaced by Mike Johnson. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 82 points 1 year ago (8 children) And Mike Johnson tells his son every time he cums permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) Amazing. Assuming this is true, and he actually gets any, he can hit his son with "I came in your mom last night." It may lead to billions in therapy bills, but thet kid is getting the closest thing to the 2006 public Halo game experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago His son’s phone alert goes off with the camgirl tip noises dingdingdingdingding “DAD it’s CHRISTMAS EVE” permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children) I was curious how far down the line of succession you would have to go to find someone who would not be a catastrophically bad president. 11 positions down is the Secretary of Labor, Lori Chavez-DeRemer. She's a Hispanic woman who was one of 6 Republican house members who signed a pledge to respect the results of the 2024 election, the only Republican cosponsor of a pro- union bill, and opposes a national Bank on abortion or IVF. Far from Ideal but light years better than the rest of the fascists on the list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children) It would be nigh impossible for that outcome though. If trump dies, Vance assumes the role but then selects a new VP. This new VP is now first in line and Johnson hasn't moved up at all. It would take the synchronized deaths of all those others in line ahead of Lori Chavez-DeRemer for her to get the position. This is a known possibility so they generally keep people separated to some degree. That way if someone wants to plot a mass assassination to clear the line, it's much more difficult. They couldn't just try to bomb one building or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Kiefer permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So how did she get a cabinet level position? I'm honestly confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, we're fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago Christ, what a list of absolute scumbags. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What if all 18 are taken out then what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Vance can pick anyone to be his VP I believe, so it likely wouldn't be Johnson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Envy@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) They're referring to the succession in an emergency. After that i think is speaker pro tempore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed. Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago If there is an opening in the VP spot, the President nominates a new VP. But that VP still has to be confirmed by both houses of Congress before he can be sworn in. The only way Johnson becomes president is if a) Trump dies, Vance nominates him, and Congress confirms it, or b) both Trump and Vance kick the bucket at the same time which automatically puts Johnson in the White House. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago just gather them all and let a single mortar shell loose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 82 points 1 year ago (8 children) And Mike Johnson tells his son every time he cums permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) Amazing. Assuming this is true, and he actually gets any, he can hit his son with "I came in your mom last night." It may lead to billions in therapy bills, but thet kid is getting the closest thing to the 2006 public Halo game experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago His son’s phone alert goes off with the camgirl tip noises dingdingdingdingding “DAD it’s CHRISTMAS EVE” permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) Amazing. Assuming this is true, and he actually gets any, he can hit his son with "I came in your mom last night." It may lead to billions in therapy bills, but thet kid is getting the closest thing to the 2006 public Halo game experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago His son’s phone alert goes off with the camgirl tip noises dingdingdingdingding “DAD it’s CHRISTMAS EVE” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children) I was curious how far down the line of succession you would have to go to find someone who would not be a catastrophically bad president. 11 positions down is the Secretary of Labor, Lori Chavez-DeRemer. She's a Hispanic woman who was one of 6 Republican house members who signed a pledge to respect the results of the 2024 election, the only Republican cosponsor of a pro- union bill, and opposes a national Bank on abortion or IVF. Far from Ideal but light years better than the rest of the fascists on the list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children) It would be nigh impossible for that outcome though. If trump dies, Vance assumes the role but then selects a new VP. This new VP is now first in line and Johnson hasn't moved up at all. It would take the synchronized deaths of all those others in line ahead of Lori Chavez-DeRemer for her to get the position. This is a known possibility so they generally keep people separated to some degree. That way if someone wants to plot a mass assassination to clear the line, it's much more difficult. They couldn't just try to bomb one building or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Kiefer permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So how did she get a cabinet level position? I'm honestly confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children) It would be nigh impossible for that outcome though. If trump dies, Vance assumes the role but then selects a new VP. This new VP is now first in line and Johnson hasn't moved up at all. It would take the synchronized deaths of all those others in line ahead of Lori Chavez-DeRemer for her to get the position. This is a known possibility so they generally keep people separated to some degree. That way if someone wants to plot a mass assassination to clear the line, it's much more difficult. They couldn't just try to bomb one building or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Kiefer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So how did she get a cabinet level position? I'm honestly confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, we're fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago Christ, what a list of absolute scumbags. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What if all 18 are taken out then what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago Christ, what a list of absolute scumbags. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What if all 18 are taken out then what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Vance can pick anyone to be his VP I believe, so it likely wouldn't be Johnson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Envy@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) They're referring to the succession in an emergency. After that i think is speaker pro tempore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed. Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago If there is an opening in the VP spot, the President nominates a new VP. But that VP still has to be confirmed by both houses of Congress before he can be sworn in. The only way Johnson becomes president is if a) Trump dies, Vance nominates him, and Congress confirms it, or b) both Trump and Vance kick the bucket at the same time which automatically puts Johnson in the White House. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Envy@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) They're referring to the succession in an emergency. After that i think is speaker pro tempore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed. Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed. Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago If there is an opening in the VP spot, the President nominates a new VP. But that VP still has to be confirmed by both houses of Congress before he can be sworn in. The only way Johnson becomes president is if a) Trump dies, Vance nominates him, and Congress confirms it, or b) both Trump and Vance kick the bucket at the same time which automatically puts Johnson in the White House. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago just gather them all and let a single mortar shell loose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (3 children) JD Vance doesn't have the following or the charisma to pull off the nonsense Trump does. MAGA doesn't work without Trump. Anytime MAGA has been in an election without Trump it fails pretty spectacularly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] calabast@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe, but if he inherits a full on police state, he might not need charisma or followers any more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago Maybe, but I don't think it will last. I think Trump has a better chance at getting a third term than JD has at getting a first term. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't work. Even a police state needs a base of support in the populace or it doesn't last long. The constant pressure of enforced conformity is too much for the system to endure. Also, under fascism, the second string guys are chosen for loyalty first and competence second. If the central guy dies, they fight amongst themselves and nobody wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] calabast@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe, but if he inherits a full on police state, he might not need charisma or followers any more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago Maybe, but I don't think it will last. I think Trump has a better chance at getting a third term than JD has at getting a first term. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't work. Even a police state needs a base of support in the populace or it doesn't last long. The constant pressure of enforced conformity is too much for the system to endure. Also, under fascism, the second string guys are chosen for loyalty first and competence second. If the central guy dies, they fight amongst themselves and nobody wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago Maybe, but I don't think it will last. I think Trump has a better chance at getting a third term than JD has at getting a first term. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't work. Even a police state needs a base of support in the populace or it doesn't last long. The constant pressure of enforced conformity is too much for the system to endure. Also, under fascism, the second string guys are chosen for loyalty first and competence second. If the central guy dies, they fight amongst themselves and nobody wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 1 year ago (8 children) I don't want Trump to die. I want him just in the edge of mental degradation so there's a constitutional crisis. GQP will hesitate to 24A him cause MAGA would revolt. It would be an extremely lame duck presidency. I want Trump to live long and quiet enough that he's forgotten. I want him to survive a Cat-5 hurricane that destroys Mar-a-Lago. I want him to drool uncontrollably in a wheelchair while they take down his name down from buildings and golf resorts and turn them into shelters for the homeless and asylum seekers. I want all his sons turn into Viserys III Targaryen, paupers and laughing stocks that people entertain out of pity, not respect. I want him to live a long life in interesting times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I think they’d Weekend at Bernie’s him to pass the worst legislation you’ve ever heard of. If it’s unpopular Trump gets the blame and he’s too incapacitated and impotent to lash out at them. Basically what Trump accused the Biden admin of doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I mean, thats what they're doing now. He'll sign whatever they put in front of him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago "He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago That practice isn't rare in authoritarian states. George III, Stalin, Nero, probably Mao. Now TACO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) It would be an extremely lame duck presidency. It already is. Haven't you seen him sign those executive orders and it's immediately apparent he's never seen or read it before that moment? He doesn't have any clue what he's going to sign before they put the paper in front of him. Trump is in the White House for two reasons- make himself richer and avoid prosecution for his crimes. Everything else that's happening is being masterminded by someone else. Smart money is on Stephen Miller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago It's one part Stephen Miller one part Heritage foundation. I believe it was Steve Bannon that previously referred to Trump as an "empty vessel." These people promise him the chance to grift to his hearts content and they pour their agenda into him. His whole Biden auto pen thing is more fucking projection... He has very little idea what he is signing, he's just signing off heritage foundation wishlists and going about his day shitting himself and yelling at people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain means." It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever. That sounds delightful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I’ll take “horrifically nauseous and hovering over a toilet forever and ever” for 400, Alex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I think they’d Weekend at Bernie’s him to pass the worst legislation you’ve ever heard of. If it’s unpopular Trump gets the blame and he’s too incapacitated and impotent to lash out at them. Basically what Trump accused the Biden admin of doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I mean, thats what they're doing now. He'll sign whatever they put in front of him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago "He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago That practice isn't rare in authoritarian states. George III, Stalin, Nero, probably Mao. Now TACO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I mean, thats what they're doing now. He'll sign whatever they put in front of him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago "He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago "He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago That practice isn't rare in authoritarian states. George III, Stalin, Nero, probably Mao. Now TACO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) It would be an extremely lame duck presidency. It already is. Haven't you seen him sign those executive orders and it's immediately apparent he's never seen or read it before that moment? He doesn't have any clue what he's going to sign before they put the paper in front of him. Trump is in the White House for two reasons- make himself richer and avoid prosecution for his crimes. Everything else that's happening is being masterminded by someone else. Smart money is on Stephen Miller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago It's one part Stephen Miller one part Heritage foundation. I believe it was Steve Bannon that previously referred to Trump as an "empty vessel." These people promise him the chance to grift to his hearts content and they pour their agenda into him. His whole Biden auto pen thing is more fucking projection... He has very little idea what he is signing, he's just signing off heritage foundation wishlists and going about his day shitting himself and yelling at people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago It's one part Stephen Miller one part Heritage foundation. I believe it was Steve Bannon that previously referred to Trump as an "empty vessel." These people promise him the chance to grift to his hearts content and they pour their agenda into him. His whole Biden auto pen thing is more fucking projection... He has very little idea what he is signing, he's just signing off heritage foundation wishlists and going about his day shitting himself and yelling at people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain means." It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever. That sounds delightful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I’ll take “horrifically nauseous and hovering over a toilet forever and ever” for 400, Alex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) "Trump is going to die any day now" is a thing people were posting in 2018. It's a thing people were posting about Vladimir Putin in 2018. It's all court gossip and click bait bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago There's a subreddit dedicated to telling you if Trump has died yet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago There's a subreddit dedicated to telling you if Trump has died yet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Let's hope it happens before the 2 year mark so it counts as a full first term for Vance permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) The fewer shit stains the better. And while JD is pure evil, he doesn't have the cult of personality that Shitler does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That would be the main hope, that once Trump's "charisma" is taken out of the picture, MAGA might start to lose enthusiasm. But it would take some time for the MAGA momentum to wind down, and the authoritarians-in-waiting would be keen to consolidate power quickly and insulate themselves against the opinions of the masses. So then the next hope is that they all start fighting among themselves so hard that the damage any of them can do is limited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Draces@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Them consolidating power is still better than that same power already consolidated permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That would be the main hope, that once Trump's "charisma" is taken out of the picture, MAGA might start to lose enthusiasm. But it would take some time for the MAGA momentum to wind down, and the authoritarians-in-waiting would be keen to consolidate power quickly and insulate themselves against the opinions of the masses. So then the next hope is that they all start fighting among themselves so hard that the damage any of them can do is limited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Draces@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Them consolidating power is still better than that same power already consolidated permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Draces@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Them consolidating power is still better than that same power already consolidated permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JHRD1880@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago I'm not too sure. Sure, he's VP but he's also not that popular with MAGA. If Trump would go (in whatever way possible) I'm sure it'll lead to infighting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago JD Vance is garbage, buuut... he's just another horrible GOP person, really. The thing that made people afraid to resist Trump was his cult-like base. They've tried multiple successors, and no one has even come close to capturing the same unconditional love of this racist moron by those pieces of shit as Trump. If we as a country have a final chance we don't deserve, it's Trump dying from his beloved "hamberders"... permalink fedilink source parent