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Three killed as Israeli forces open fire near Gaza food distribution site, officials say
(www.theguardian.com)
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No, because I agree with you. You just need to take it a step farther and follow your argument through to its logical conclusion
The logical conclusion of opposing a genocide is not more genocide.
Didn't say it was, and that's absolutely not where I'm going. There's a huge difference between dismantling the power of a geopolitical state in order to stop it from committing a genocide (which is what most people mean when they say "Israel doesn't have a right to exist") and the genocide of that state's people. Don't conflate the two
When the Nazi German state was dismantled following WWII, was that a genocide against the German people? Did the Third Reich have a right to exist?
Would trying Hitler and his leadership for crimes against humanity have been sufficient on its own? Of course not, the entire Nazi German state apparatus needed to be dismantled.
I don't believe that is what most people mean when they say that.
As for the Nazi comparison, there were a lot of people who would have preferred we kill all the Nazis, but only a relatively small percentage were tried and convicted. Germany did not forfeit their right to exist, and the German people (including most of the Nazis) were allowed to continue on with their lives.
As for Hitler, I do think a trial would have been better for the world and the development of humanity. But like most narcissists, he was a coward and chose to shoot himself rather than face consequences.
Germany is a real country though. Israel is a settler colony established through land theft.
Yes like America and australia.
For the record no country has a right to exist. They either do exist or they don't.
By saying Israel has no right to exist I mean the racist genocidal ethnostate called Israel needs to be dismantled and become a one state with equal rights for all. That is not a call for genocide. That is a call for humanity.
Do you even hear yourself?
Can you remind me why those Jewish immigrants had to move to Israel after WWII? Why they couldn't just go back to their homes in Europe?
I'll take you at your word that this is what you meant, but my point still stands because it does not come across that way at all. You may not be aware that there is an alarming resurgence of anti-Semitism globally (fueled in large part by the Israeli government engaging in the genocide of Palestinians). "Israel has no right to exist" is a common refrain among anti-Semites, and most of them do mean "Jewish people should not exist."
If you're not calling for a genocide, then you need to be clear when you're critical of Israel. Because sounding like a nazi gives credibility to the defenders of Israel who claim that all critics are nazis.
Yes, and Israel exists.
What are you even talking about? The colonization of Palestine was ideological and started long before WW2. Zionism predates the Holocaust by several decades.
Even for the refugees you're conjuring up a completely false binary. It wasnt Palestine or nowhere. It was Palestine or Western countries accepting refugees
Like a Zionist, you are treating Palestine as if it were terra nullis. You could at least acknowledge that Israel was set up through ethnic cleansing and the cultural erasure of Palestinians. The Palestinians paid and are still paying for the crimes of the Europeans.
Yes anti semitism is on the rise just as xenophobia and white supremacy is on the rise but you're 1) conflating criticism of Israel which isn't antisemtic with hatred of Jews, which is and 2) suggesting that criticising genocide and calling for the dismantling of Israel somehow encourages anti semitism which is disingenuous.
It is possible to oppose the state of Israel without opposing Jewish people.