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Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris choosing billionaires over the working class
(www.the-independent.com)
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Yah they do every time, even when they win. Every side chooses billionaires and Americans alternate being fed up with one side so they vote for the other. Rinse repeat, the rich always win
I've been saying it for the past two US election cycles .... the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
Thanks for that .... now I have credible references to attribute this thought.
I knew it wasn't smart enough to think this, it's just haven't read enough to know or see where others have said it before.
Don't be so down on yourself, you can get to the same conclusion independently
But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking
I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky .... but the guy has so much content, you'd have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.
It's all just a form of "divide and conquer." Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they'll help but they don't. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to "roll over and play dead." I translate that as, "the party doesn't care." Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.
The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.
I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.
Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.
"I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person." "I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections"
Yeah let's unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.
If you don't unite with them then history shows what you fear is guaranteed to happen.
Except the conservative the liberals were supporting, Hindenburg, won without the socialists support, while the socialists ran their own guy with the slogan "a vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war". And then Hindenburg put nazis in all the major positions of power, in the name of unity.
History shows us:
It also shows us that socialists won't compromise to meet liberals in the middle, while the right unifies.
No, Socialists will not compromise with the people handing power to the fascists. Our objectives are mutually exclusive, we want socialism, liberals want capitalism and will support fascists to maintain capitalism.
Liberals are part of the right, Lenin was correct a century ago: social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
Then you will lose to fascism and fascists kill socialists. The capitalism vs socialism debate is meaningless if democracy is lost.
The SDP were the next in the camps after socialists. Working with liberals cannot stop fascism because liberals create the conditions for fascism and would rather fascists in power than socialists.
And you would rather fascists be in power than work with liberals. It's easier to blame others than to compromise for the greater good of stopping fascism. This attitude is exactly the problem I am talking about.
The two arent equivalent, because socialists dont work with fascists or create the conditions fir fascism like liberals do, and supporting liberals supports the rise of fascism.
Liberals will work with whoever gives them the best chance to retain power. That could be socialists or fascists. By refusing to work with them, you leave the fascists as their only option to retain power. You create the exact environment fascism wants - a divided left.
Liberals are not the left, the longer they remain in power, the more fascism grows. When liberals work with fascists, they give them power. When liberals tell socialists to work with them, they mean "shut up and help us maintain the conditions that give rise to fascism". Do you think if the socialists supported Hindenburg, Hindenburg would have given power to the people who dont want billionaires to exist? I dont get how this isn't getting through, working with liberals is just another path to fascism.
I would argue that fascism is an inherent weakness of democracy that must be constantly guarded against. The public will always be vulnerable to those who would manipulate their worst impulses. Hate, fear, vengeance.
All who wish to preserve democracy need to band together. Anything else is secondary.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.
Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.
It's not entirely false, but it's also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action -- but given the size of the voting window, it's probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)
Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?
Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you'd think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-unrwa-funding-already-halted-2024-not-by-trump-2025-order-2025-01-28/
Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815
"Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront" from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.
They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2025/1/22/the-take-why-is-land-in-the-west-bank-being-sold-off-to-us-citizens
https://law.ucla.edu/news/no-fair-day-damning-new-report-reveals-biden-administrations-unlawful-treatment-children-immigration-courts
"Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "
In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I've seen it many times)
Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Look I ain't voting for the Republicans either but I ain't gonna pretend the DNC is on my side. That said, my vote is absolutely irrelevant. I live in a blue bastion state and our backwards election systems guarantee my vote is worthless. The whole game is set up to fuck over the working class and promote the interests of the wealthy.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they're the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it's more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn't vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn't vote is actually closer to 40%.
I'm so sick of winning.