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ABC pulls interview with Palestine advocate from website and iview
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You're not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn't matter what justification they claim, no justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.
October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas' crimes have no justification. That doesn't somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they're committing.
The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.
What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.
In Hamas' case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.
Occupied people have a right to resistance
European settlers exterminating indigenous people to take their land is about as inline with Australian ideals as it gets
Absolutely, and the arguments demigrating Hamas never accounted for the fact they're a key force fighting against the oppression.
That is not what was done on October 7th, it doesn't undermine the Palestinian cause for freedom, but that was shameful, and completely undermines their cause, as has been demonstrated by the insane response by the Israelis and the lack of care by a lot of people around the world.
You know the people i'm sure, the "they brought it on themselves" crowd.
Australia has a terrible past, and we haven't treated our first Australians in any way well, but there are a lot of us trying to reconcile the past and build a better future with what we have.
We haven't lived up to the ideals we aspire to in the past, but that doesn't mean we discard them. It means we acknowledge our failures and begin to make amends where its possible.
You realise that there is no form of militant resistance that Hamas could engage in that would not be framed like this? Because Israel and Israel friendly media do the framing.
And they would always have said that, just like the Nazis said of the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto
Hypocrisy is when you judge yourself by your intentions, and others by their actions.
Australia supported colonial genocide then, and it supports colonial genocide now.
Oct 7th wasn't a framing issue. Crimes need to be recognised for what they are. Ameliorating factors, such as reasonable resistance don't go to the medieval activities of that day.
I judge my country by my and my countrymens actions now and passed. I humbly acquiesced to that past, re-read it.
You have a skewed view of the world if you somehow thought that position in conjunction with my criticisms of Israel, and their refusal to even acknowledge the crimes they're committing is somehow hypocritical.
So the answer to my question is: no, you don't realize that any militant resistance Hamas engages in will be framed as "medieval barbarism".
Then you have to recognize that Australian ideals are entirely in line with what Israel is doing. Australia's actions, both then and now, show that.
I thought we were talking about Australia's values? Why are you talking about your own personal ones now?
I think you should slow down and re-read a lot of what has been said. Your rebuttals are only tenuously linked to the arguments. I'll try to explain more with some supplementary comments below.
Oct 7th
Is rape, torture, and murder needed for resistance? No, and it undermines the causes of those who conduct themselves that way in resistance. Thats what Oct 7th was. Out of all the propaganda and framing Israel puts out Oct 7th is a crime of the Hamas of that time and their associated groupings. Your fighting an poor, distasteful and losing argument trying to put Oct 7th down to framing, and propaganda.
I suggest focusing on the actual crimes and distortions that are committed, we have no need for made up ones when the examples are abundant.
This is foolish to believe Australia's actions demonstrate any ideals like what Israel is doing. They may be too soft, like many countries, but they are decidedly in the opposite direction of these genocidal actions.
Your responding to something thats not written. It wasn't an expression of my personal values, but a comment on your inability to sort your own ideologogy and perhaps a prejudice you harbour for Australia, from the ongoing crimes Israel is committing.
Being a raging firebrand on the internet might be emotionally satisfying in the moment, but in the end the realities of this world reassert themselves, and we then have to deal with the destruction and creation of what is left. Its easier if theres less rebuilding when the inevitable time comes. Don't forget that.
See? You've demonstrated my point. There's zero conclusive evidence that any rape or torture took place on October 7th, but you believe there is anyway.
You would say that about any violent resistance.
And you're a fool if you don't believe that any militant resistance from Hamas would be framed this way. Can you think of a single time it wasn't?
Ok, so you were lying when you said: "I judge my country by my and my countrymens actions now and passed." You are still judging others by actions and yourself by intention. Hypocrisy.
And no, Australia is not 'to soft', that is some fascist shit.
No, I responded to what you wrote, you literally refereed to your own personal views. If that isn't what you meant then that's on you for miscommunication, don't blame me for responding to what you said.
No, it definitely wasn't. You are lying now.
Oh ok, I didn't no it was "prejudice" to recognize that Australia supported colonial genocide then, and is supporting it in Israel now.
So might being a smug nationalist pretending to be super rational and above it all. I was 14 once too.
Yes, and the reality is that Australia supported colonial genocide then, and is supporting it in Israel now. And those realities will reassert themselves no matter how much you smugly proclaim otherwise.
And you're going to deal with that by attacking the people fighting against Israel and defending the people supporting it.
Uh-uh. Did you practice that vacuous little speech in the mirror?
Did you enjoy that? Well, i think we're done here, theres little in that worth responding to. Speaking of mirrors, perhaps spend some time in front of one, might do you good.
You sure are a smug little hypocrite