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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IIRC they counted the bones in their fingers using their thumb and that gives 12. The first sundial was around the equator and there is always light for half a day, so half a day becomes 12 hours.

To count large numbers often one hand was used to count using 5 fingers and the other to count the bones, so you get 5x12 for 60 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

AIUI there was an aspect in the divisibility of the numbers being convenient.

12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 60 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30.

10 is divisible by 2 and 5. 100 is divisible by 2, 4, 5, 10, 20, 25, and 50.

If you want to minimize dealing with fractions, 12 and 60 are far more convenient than 10 and 100.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's an interesting thought, but I believe it to simply be a coincidence.

The base 12 counting being based on counting the division of your fingers is historically verified, but if the division aspect was so compelling to them you'd expect it to carry forward into their writing system.

By the time you get cuneiform math though, they actually go back to base 10.

https://images.app.goo.gl/9GR6VEiT7GHYF3KaA

As you can see base 12 is not in the written system, or for written mathematics. It just was convenient for counting on their hands.

They used mixes of base 10/base 12 and base 60.

Base 10 would be used go determine the symbols for a specific "digit" in base 60.

So similar to how our 13 is 1 ten and 3 ones, their 13 was the symbol for 10 then 3 symbols for 1. 13 = 𒌋𒁹𒁹𒁹 But 73 would be written 𒁹 𒌋𒁹𒁹𒁹

Which would be interpreted as 1 sixty and 13 ones, or 60 + 13

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'ma start a revolution where we use duodecimal metric for everything, including time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's how we ended up with 12 months of varying length in a year and it's a mess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's a problem no matter how you divide the year

That's why I propose changing the orbit of the earth, too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Not if you divide by 5. It gets you 73 days each.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok, but now subdivide the 73 day month-analogs into week-analogs.

I can see calling the month analogs "seasons", but 73 is a prime number so you're boned. We need subdivisions smaller than that for practical purposes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Don't subdivide the 73-day seasons.

Instead, subdivide the year into 73 5-day weeks.

A year made up of 5 seasons and 73 weeks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Like I said, we need smaller subdivisions than 73 for practical purposes.

just having 5 season per year and nothing else simply isn't practical. Imagine having to wait 70 days to the weekend 💀. We need to have a week analog, and no matter what it's not going to fit cleanly in the seasons.

Actually, splitting the season into 10 day weeks with a 3 day weekend, and then ending each season with a 3 day holiday could work, not opposed to that lol

But I don't like 73, it's not power of 10 or 12 so it doesn't fit a decimal it duodecimal metric calendar. The universe sucks for not confirming to the way we order to count.
I want to have like... A day, a decaday (week), hectoday (season), kiloday (year), megaday (millenium).
And in the other direction, a day, a deciday (hour), centiday (minute), milliday(second) etc.
So my plan is to change the orbit and rotation of earth to force reality to match our preferences

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

13 months of 4 weeks + new year's day (+leap day) actually fits perfectly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I wouldn't call having an unassigned remainder "perfectly". And always, leap day fucking shit up lol