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I think they are referring to the protest non voters because of the Palestine Israeli conflict.
Oh, well that's okay. Nobody has a moral obligation to resist fascism. Calling people evil for letting a neo-nazi wannabe dictator take control of the government is absurd
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Your totally right. It's OK to support genocide because the "good" party (that builds the infrastructure for facism, and doesn't fight against it) is such a better option. I mean, how can people not be supportive of that?
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You killed 10 Gazas by letting trump win.
In opposing 1 genocide you chose 10 more, and threw away any hope to resist them.
So many dying kids curse you right now.
I didn't "let" Trump win, I voted against him. The Democrats handed the election to him because they valued genocide and money more than they valued fighting fascism. The Democrats openly bombed the shit out of kids world-wide. Do you think they were happy with you when Biden was bombing them? or do you think they cursed as they were dying?
They didn't hand shit.
Nobody should have voted FOR Harris.
Everyone should have voted AGAINST Trump.
It's childish to even have this discussion.
If the dems had literally run Mitt Romney I would have voted for him gladly.
Becauae, unlike you, I don't want MORE genocide, and Trump is nothing if not openly pro-genocide.
They did tho. Trump is one of, if not the least popular president we've ever had. Are you telling me that the Democrat's really tried their best, and couldn't find anyone that was more likeable than him?
I did vote against Trump, but I also voted against Harris. I did that because, unlike you, I didn't want genocide or fascism.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/super-tuesday/
Sanders got.... 1/3 bidens vote?
What magic candidate do you think could have done so much better?
You live so deep up your own ass on the left you don't understand how stubbornly conservative much of the country is.
That's why Biden was a good candidate, old and white, mildly racist, he literally aligned with the majority of this worthless trash country.
I'm not white, and I suspect you haven't lived outside of the coasts, large parts of this country are almost Afghanistan.
Yes, Sanders is a great example. The guy that the DNC literally had to put their finger on the scale to overcome. The guy that polled better than Trump in red states.
I have lived all over the country: The coasts, the middle, the south. I know plenty of people in red states that don't like Trump, but don't see the Democrats putting out a candidate that they like. Maybe if the Democrats tried to differentiate themselves from Trump, instead of chasing his policies, they'd do better.
Did you see his primary results?
This wasn't 2016, he got creamed in 2020, and it's fair to say he would have gotten destroyed in 2016 too.
I lived in most of the country, the vile hatred in the south is something you can't appreciate, they are literally only Republicans now because they switched for the only time since the founding, because their first and only issue is racism.
You have 0 chance of electing a Jewish socialist, doesn't matter how right he is, just no chance.
Biden should never have won an election and he creamed everyone in the primaries, because this country still wants the most boring old wasp guy they can find.
Yeah, Biden won after the DNC rigged the election in favor of their candidates. Prior to that, Sanders was doing pretty good. Polling also had Sanders doing pretty good in red states.
Yes, the south is super racist, I know first hand. And I agree that the south would have been an uphill battle for Bernie, but I think he could have won despite having the south against him. Now it's too late, and it's just speculation.
But none of that takes away from the fact that the Democrats keep putting up terrible candidates that nobody wants. Look at the polling and votes for Harris, Biden, and Hillary. They did terrible, and it wasn't a surprise to anyone. The Dems need to pick better, or they are gonna keep losing.
Did you see those election results?
Bernie lost everything, by a lot.
I think you live in a similar media hole as the right, you think everyone thinks like you do becausw you live in places like lemmy.
Lemmy != IRL.
We're telling you Republicans ran the most propagandized campaign in American history and Americans were too stupid to see through it. This is far more about Americans being stupid and easily manipulated than it is about Democrats running a bad campaign.
No, you did not. You engaged in a purely performative action with no statistical chance of a positive outcome against fascism or genocide, so that you could brag about your moral purity while offering up the rest of us to fascists, including your SO, apparently, to feed your ego.
You can lie to others and you can lie to yourself but, the math doesn't lie. FPTP system with established parties (one of them openly fascist, that already attempted a coup) meant that there were, mathematically, two options (not a false dichotomy but a real one): voting for a candidate with a statistical chance of winning against the fascists, or letting fascists win. You chose the latter and, if we survive this, that's something that you'll have to come to terms with and take responsibility for.
The math also doesn't lie about 3rd parties: If we had all voted for Harris (and that's a big if), the Dems still wouldn't have won. The math also doesn't lie about the Dems: They ran two terrible campaigns, that even Democratic voters stayed home on, rather than support. A bunch of people who voted for Biden ended up voting for Trump in this election. That's on the Dem leadership.
I completely own up to my vote, and it's consequences. I wish the Dems would do the same.
Are you happy you didn't "support genocide"? Did it make the world a better place?
I am indeed happy that I didn't "support genocide". But no, it didn't make the world a better place. Are you happy that you supported genocide? Did that make the world a better place?
Funnily enough your moral high grounding resulted in school lunch programs being discontinued. So good job now we have a genocide AND more hungry kids domestically
Homie, please stop arguing with this person. You're not doing yourself any favors and giving them what they want.
Like maga idiots, they get off knowing they upset you. And you deserve better, if only as an obligation to yourself. Plus you are giving them a stage to preach their dumbassery.
Good looking out for people.
Just paying it forward from people who do the same for me when I get goaded into similar situation.
Edit: legit love the hate I caught. But you have to give homie I responded to some Lee way! Down vote me all you want, but support homie!
I argue with the hope of convincing those on the fence reading it. Appreciate the looking out though. You are right this person won't be convinced
Very fair. But this isn't the venue. This is the leftmost (or at least socially equitable social media site) I've witnessed so far in my in my fiftyish years. But prioritize yourself, without victimizing others(of which the person you're argue with, is not a victim(to be clear))
Funnily enough, the DNC running unpopular candidates on unpopular policies resulted in school lunch programs being discontinued. So good job now we have a genocide AND more hungry kids domestically.
Maybe the DNC should put out candidates and policies that people want, instead of running Republican-light candidates.
You made a choice and that made kids hungry. Own up to you. You can justify it however you want. You can use whatever prose and logic you wish, but you and many others like you bear that responsibility.
The dems can be a whole hell of a lot better, and so can you. I'm sorry you found neither shool lunch programs for hungry kids and abortion rights for women an appealing policy of their platform
You made a choice for Genocide, own up to you. I find it interesting that you are mad at me, but not willing to own up to your own decisions.
I wanted Democrats to solidify those programs so that they couldn't be taken away, but the Democrats didn't want to so that they could dangle them in front of voters every election cycle. Maybe if we had a serious party we wouldn't be in this mess.
But I don't know why you are so angry. You got to keep the genocide, the child-bombings, the wars, the open corruption, and the attacks against the working class that you wanted.
Frankly I don't care how you try to justify it. Project 2025 was not a secret. Now my sister lives in fear of how she'll make ends meet and provide Healthcare for my niece. And I am looking at being unemployed all due to Trump's policies.
Your logic doesn't change Trump's actions nor does it change the absolute devastation facing me and my family.
These plans were not a secret, and instead of casting a vote for less suffering you stayed home. Ensuring the suffering of not only people here, but an accelerated genocide.
But hey at least you think you have the moral high ground. Must be nice having the privilege to both judge and not feel the effects of Trump's policies at home. Daddy leave you an emerald mine too?
No you don't understand. We should let Trump win because Biden let Trump win. Run on a platform of spite!
EDIT: I didn't get the sarcasm of the above reply. I'm leaving my reply below for visibility even though I don't agree with it anymore because of that context.
I didn't "let" Trump win, I voted against him. If I had the ability to kick him out of the race, I would have. But I also would have done the same to Biden and Harris since they both openly fought against what I wanted.
I'm using sarcasm to agree with you and make fun of the non voter
Ah, I mis-understood then, my apologies. When people keep attacking me for being against evil and destruction, I tend to get a little overly defensive
Well, you're clearly wrong on multiple points here. I knew about 2025, and never claimed ignorance of it. I live in fear of being taken away to a camp, and am also looking at unemployment. I have multiple health problems that are going to haunt me for the rest of my life because I can't get them fixed because of Trump. I'm terrified that my SO is going to be dragged out of our home.
And I didn't stay home, I voted against genocde and fascism. The people you show allegience to support both the genocide, and the facists. I don't know why you keep defending them, when they are the ones that pushed Trump into office the first time, and have since been giving half-assed attempts to fight him, when they aren't openly supporting him. You can be mad at me for not wanting fascism or genocide, but I find it telling that you'd rather be mad at me, than be mad at the genocidists or the fascists supporters.
Doesn't seem like it. You valued your virtue signaling more.
Now my family has to worry about being able to eat and you worry about your SO. Frankly I worry about mine too
Neither of these things would be happening under a Kamala presidency, but that doesn't matter to you it seems.
You may find this hard to believe but you can vote for harm reduction and continue to protest the things you disagree with.
If you believe that the democrats lead us to fascism through a lack luster campaign then you acknowledge that a Democrat win would have resulted in the prevention of fascism. That means you chose fascism. I guess we all have to live with the consequences of your actions.
Also you underestimate the number of things I can be mad at. I can be mad at Trump, the Democrats and people like you all at the same time. You've made it very clear you can only comprehend one issue at a time, but trust me I have enough anger. I'll keep marching until they stop me ✌️
A Democrat win would have resulted in the delaying of fascism, and the propping up of fascist tools. As I've already said multiple times, I voted against fascism. Even if me and all of the other 3rd party voters voted Democrat, fascism still would have won because the Democrats didn't have enough votes. They chose genocide and money over stopping fascism.
So feel free to keep defending the party that chooses to bomb children, supports genocide, support fascists, supports rapists, supports corruption, fights against the working class, imprisons minorities, and tortures people.
Lol. Congrats. You have successfully twisted yourself into a pretzel to avoid placing blame where it belongs. On the American electorate.
Or.... It could be placed on the supposedly opposition party, who ran unpopular candidates on unpopular platforms. Maybe they should have tried to fight against Trump, instead of trying to co-opt his policies.
The fact that you think people who supported Democrats supported genocide is infantile and shows that you are arguing in bad faith.