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Māori Party MPs suspended over haka protest in NZ parliament (www.abc.net.au)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yikes. That is an awful statement. I had an initial reaction thinking "maybe they meant it in some way that doesn't mean that" but I quickly realized how dumb that sounds.

Before I wrote my previous comment, I did some searching to double check what I thought I remembered about the situation, and I found only articles that portrayed the haka as a protest against a reduction of rights. Even after reading over what you quoted and more from the bill, I am unsure if it's as good as the language makes it seem or if it does reduce rights. I'm really not qualified to determine that myself.

Before your edit, you linked wsws.org, which from what I can tell is pretty factual and they claim that public funds were given to corporations by the TPM.

So, I've now got a bunch of contradictory information and I'm not sure what to rely on. The genetics quote is definitely accurate though, and that's a real tough one to make a good case that it didn't mean "genetic superiority", even though that's not quite the words that were used. It just seems like such a contradictory stance in contrast to the other things I've seen about the party.

Thanks for the info. It seems like it's gonna be tough for me to try to dig out the facts and figure out what to believe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think what helps is to remember that real life is messy. The New Zealand Maori party are unequivocally racist and arguably fascist, but they don’t represent all Maori. At the same time, some Maori still have legitimate grievances with the government which are yet to be settled. We can hold both of these facts in mind simultaneously. Of course it means we don’t have a clear caricature of the good and the bad guys, but history is usually not as black and white as that.

FYI I edited the wsws.org link because I don’t know if it’s reputable and sometimes people pick at the source instead of the content if it suits their narrative. Wikipedia is usually accepted. Plus it has citations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Maori party, or at least a few of their MPs, are brown supremacists, and say shit that would incite violence if a white person said them about Maori.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

They are much less racist than ACT or NZ first though. I mean I don't know how it would be possible to be more racist than them in this country.