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In NZ Parliament, everyone gets to speak, often heatedly and repeatedly, then everyone gets to vote. She wanted to stop others from voting. That’s a big no in a democracy. Fascist tactics like this have no place in a democracy. Had she been allowed to prevent a democratic vote, what do you think happens the next time a left wing party tries to pass something contentious? And just to be clear, these are the three principles in the Bill:
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Principle 1
The Executive Government of New Zealand has full power to govern, and the Parliament of New Zealand has full power to make laws,—
a) the best interests of everyone; and
b) in accordance with the rule of law and the maintenance of a free and democratic society.
Principle 2
The Crown recognises, and will respect and protect, the rights that hapū and iwi Māori had under the Treaty of Waitangi/te Tiriti o Waitangi at the time they signed it.
The Crown recognises, and will respect and protect, the rights that hapū and iwi Māori had under the Treaty of Waitangi/te Tiriti o Waitangi at the time they signed it.
However, if those rights differ from the rights of everyone, subclause (1) applies only if those rights are agreed in the settlement of a historical treaty claim under the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975.
Principle 3
1) Everyone is equal before the law.
2) Everyone is entitled, without discrimination, to—
a) the equal protection and equal benefit of the law; and
b) the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental human rights
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So this woman was literally protesting against the introduction of racial equality and equal human rights protections in New Zealand. Her party is racially supremacist, and believe that Maori are a genetically superior race.
Yikes. That is an awful statement. I had an initial reaction thinking "maybe they meant it in some way that doesn't mean that" but I quickly realized how dumb that sounds.
Before I wrote my previous comment, I did some searching to double check what I thought I remembered about the situation, and I found only articles that portrayed the haka as a protest against a reduction of rights. Even after reading over what you quoted and more from the bill, I am unsure if it's as good as the language makes it seem or if it does reduce rights. I'm really not qualified to determine that myself.
Before your edit, you linked wsws.org, which from what I can tell is pretty factual and they claim that public funds were given to corporations by the TPM.
So, I've now got a bunch of contradictory information and I'm not sure what to rely on. The genetics quote is definitely accurate though, and that's a real tough one to make a good case that it didn't mean "genetic superiority", even though that's not quite the words that were used. It just seems like such a contradictory stance in contrast to the other things I've seen about the party.
Thanks for the info. It seems like it's gonna be tough for me to try to dig out the facts and figure out what to believe.
I think what helps is to remember that real life is messy. The New Zealand Maori party are unequivocally racist and arguably fascist, but they don’t represent all Maori. At the same time, some Maori still have legitimate grievances with the government which are yet to be settled. We can hold both of these facts in mind simultaneously. Of course it means we don’t have a clear caricature of the good and the bad guys, but history is usually not as black and white as that.
FYI I edited the wsws.org link because I don’t know if it’s reputable and sometimes people pick at the source instead of the content if it suits their narrative. Wikipedia is usually accepted. Plus it has citations.
The Maori party, or at least a few of their MPs, are brown supremacists, and say shit that would incite violence if a white person said them about Maori.
They are much less racist than ACT or NZ first though. I mean I don't know how it would be possible to be more racist than them in this country.
Lol fuck off. Writing down "actually we've unilaterally decided everyone is equal now" after decades of theft and oppression is not equality.
How rich to be accusing others of fascism when the party that pushes this is so strongly linked to facism and regression across the world.
So what are you arguing for? More racial inequality? More structural racism? We overcome racism by stamping it out where we find it. We do not solve anything by making racism even worse. A most fundamental premise of any Western democracy is that we are all equal under the law, irrespective of our race. If you can’t agree on that then I suggest you take a long, hard look at your values.
We are not all equal under the law though. Why are you pretending there is no racism and everybody is on equal ground and we can just ignore race?
That's nuts.
If that were true then why oppose a Bill making everyone equal under the law? That’s clearly not true.
Quote where I make those claims. You’re fighting ghosts.
Because it's not a law that make everyone equal under the law and it certainly would not compensate the people who were wronged and punish the wrongdoers.
When you say that this bill would end racism and make everybody equal.
I quoted the part where it makes everyone equal. If you disagree, quote the parts you think contradict that. The fact you’ve made so many comments lying about both my comments and the content of the bill suggest you’re just a liar. But prove me wrong homie. Quote where the bill makes everyone unequal in the law.
So you can’t, because I didn’t claim racism doesn’t exist. You keep lying because your defence of racism is so disgusting that you can’t bear to own it for one fucking comment. Just fuck off back to your KKK rally or wherever you guys come from.
You quoted a little thing believing that was the totality of what the bill did. I take that back. You don't really believe that it makes everybody equal, you just want to push that propaganda.
You said this bill would end it. This bill does nothing to address racism. In fact it rewards the racists by letting them get way with all the racist things they did and leaves the people they victimised injured and suffering which is why you support it.
NACT is a racist coalition of cruel sadistic white supremacists. Everything they do is to further a white christian nationistic agenda.
You are nothing but a brownshirt in their army.
The good news is that the decent human beings defeated your asses and all you can do now is to cry.
You don't stamp out racism but just one sidedly declaring racism is over all of a sudden, having done nothing to address the actual harm that has been caused.
Actually you do stop racism by stopping racism. It’s really that simple. I’ve lost patience with racists. All racists think their racism is justified. It’s not.
Acknowledging past racism is not racism. Pretending past racism is fixed, despite not doing anything to actually fix it, is not fixing racism. It is perpetuating and entrenching racism.
No one claimed acknowledging past racism is racism. It’s the racism I’m claiming is racist. If you don’t support racial equality, you are racist.
Yes I agree, Act's bill was pretending to be racial equality, which it isn't, which is therefore racist. Glad we're on the same page
I quoted the bill above and I'll do it again here because you seem to have an issue with reading comprehension:
The Bill literally, explicitly, an unequivocally calls for racial equality. There is no amount of Orwellian doublespeak you could possibly utter which could twist opposition to this as anything other than ugly racism.
Nothing like Orwellian doublespeak than a bill that declares racism over "because I said so"
The bill calls for racial equality. You oppose that. You are racist.
The bill did not call for racial equality, it declared there is already full and complete racial equality. If there are in fact ongoing inequalities, doing this locks them in and prevents them from being addressed. That is a big difference and is one of the reasons it was so widely opposed.
Laws are not some magic Harry Potter spell that immediately make things true because they're said a certain way. Youve either been taken in by this fantasy, in which case, grow up and learn something about the history of this country and how it still shapes us today, or you know what the grift is here and in which case, fuck you - you're a facist and a racist because it's always projection with you ghouls.
No it doesn’t. Read it. It requires legal racial equality. If the only way for you to argue this is by pretending the bill says something it doesn’t, reconsider your premise.
You can't stop racism until you address the harm it's causing and punishing the people who are causing it. Without inflicting punishment on the people who are carrying out racism it will never stop.
You can stop racism right this second, by not being racist. That’s it. All that is required is that you stop hating people because of their skin colour and treat them equally in law. That you would argue against that is horrifying.
Oh wow. I didn't know it was that easy!. Just stop being racist!.
No fuck that. The people who are racist and who did racist things MUST BE PUNISHED. If they get away with it then racism will never end. Saying that they should get away with all their racism is disgusting and you should be ashamed of saying such things.
What do you think racism is? From Cambridge Dictionary:
So yes, it really is as easy as stop being racist. If you disagree, explain yourself, because right now you sound like a racial supremacist.
Cool, do that. In the mean time, STOP BEING A RACIST SHITHEAD.
I didn’t write that. You just keep making shit up because your position is so fucking gross that you can’t stand to own it for even one comment.
We punish them first. Then we make them pay reparations for every harm they causes. Once that's all done we can talk. Until then fuck off.
Yes you did. That's what this bill for designed to do. It was designed to reward the racists and let them keep all the loot they stole.
It was a racist bill put forward by a racist party in a racist coalition and it was defeated by the decent folk in this country.
You lost. Keep crying.
This bill was not about racial equality. Do you actually think anybody with five brain cells to rub together believes that bullshit?
The treaty is the treaty. One signatory can't unilaterally decide they don't want to be bound by it anymore or that they get to decide how it's interpreted.
I quoted the actual legislation which shows that it is clearly about racial equality.
Are you arguing that the Treaty requires structural racism in New Zealand? If so, fuck the treaty. Racism has no place in a modern society. I should also inform you that, legally speaking, the Treaty is non-binding. Neither the government nor the people have any requirement to follow any part of it.
https://www.justice.govt.nz/about/learn-about-the-justice-system/how-the-justice-system-works/the-basis-for-all-law/treaty-of-waitangi/#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+Treaty+of+Waitangi+was%2Cby+our+government%5C%5C)%20and%20M%C4%81ori.
You quoted a tiny little bit, the overall bill was racist. It sought to strip rights away from the Maori and only the Maori in this country.
The bill was structurally racist.
Then why is it so widespread amongst ACT and NZ first and National voters?
It's the foundational document of our nation.
Then why are the racist in this country trying to reinterpret it?
Which part? Be specific. Quote the parts you’re referring to.
Just because you think your political opponents are racist doesn’t give you the right to be as evil.
That’s not a good excuse for keeping institutional racism. Slavery used to be a foundational part of American society but they changed it.
I don’t know who you’re referring to by in this case they’re clearly just stating they want legal equality.
The bill would increase institutional racism.
fuck america.
I am talking about you and the rest of the white supremacist neo nazis who are still crying because their white supremacist bill didn't pass.
Thank you for explaining this in a way I don't have the patience for.