I'm sorry, so fucking angry. Students with sources that don't exist. Students with sources that exist but then the quotation doesn't exist.
I'm so fucking mad, because it's extra work for me (that I'm sure as hell not getting compensated for), and it also entirely defeats the purpose of the fucking class (it's writing/research, so like, engaging in a discipline and looking at what's been written before on your topic, etc.)
Kill me please. Comrades, I'm so tired. I just want to teach writing. I want to give students a way to exercise agency in the world -- to both see bad arguments and make good ones. They don't care. I'm so tired.
BTW, I took time to look up some of these sources my student used, couldn't find the quotes they quote, so told them the paper is an "A" if they can show me every quotation and failing otherwise. Does this seem like a fair policy (my thought is -- no matter the method, fabrication of evidence is justification for failing work)?
My feeling was just "don't have a written AI policy" (or I suppose, flesh out what has been discussed under this post into a nuanced policy), not "have a strict anti-AI policy (on paper)". I definitely wouldn't advocate for the latter, both for reasons you mention and because it's basically unfalsifiable.
Like, you don't have to explicitly say "AI is allowed [with these conditions]" to allow it in practice, and I feel like doing so can give students the wrong idea that they can just go for it and ask forgiveness rather than permission (or more likely deny deny deny and then only when they're clearly caught in it say "but the policy")
I definitely appreciate your stance against teacher-as-cop thinking. I'm glad you're in the profession and sorry you have to deal with this garbage
My goal (and I don't know how exactly to achieve it) is to reverse this so that by copping to it quickly we can move to "do you understand why what you produced is shit and how the LLM did that" without them worried I'm going to drag them to academic integrity.
I don't know how to get them to do it though. It's like, I don't want to spend an hour in my office pulling teeth about "ok, this source isn't real, but did you document badly or did you use AI"
yeah... I wish I had a better suggestion for you. talking about it head on might help but that's assuming they listen and believe you when you say you aren't going to narc on them, and even then one or two speeches about it probably doesn't break the bad habits they developed/reinforce in other classes over time.
Yeah. Years of being policed means they have every motivation to deny (and indeed, they tell each other this too).
It's just an intractable problem.