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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm sorry, so fucking angry. Students with sources that don't exist. Students with sources that exist but then the quotation doesn't exist.

I'm so fucking mad, because it's extra work for me (that I'm sure as hell not getting compensated for), and it also entirely defeats the purpose of the fucking class (it's writing/research, so like, engaging in a discipline and looking at what's been written before on your topic, etc.)

Kill me please. Comrades, I'm so tired. I just want to teach writing. I want to give students a way to exercise agency in the world -- to both see bad arguments and make good ones. They don't care. I'm so tired.

BTW, I took time to look up some of these sources my student used, couldn't find the quotes they quote, so told them the paper is an "A" if they can show me every quotation and failing otherwise. Does this seem like a fair policy (my thought is -- no matter the method, fabrication of evidence is justification for failing work)?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Feels like we're talking past each other.

Martin Luther convinced people of ideas. AI slop doesn't. The printing press increased literacy at a faster rate than years prior. AI slop is decreasing literacy (in the broad sense, including things like media literacy) at a faster rate than it was decreasing before. I think we agree on those points.

I think those points are enough to make the argument that LLM chatbots are the inverse of the printing press. It's a vibe-based assessment based on those points we agree on. This isn't math, there's no exact definition of (printing press)^-1 , You disagree with the vibe, but we're pretty much in agreement on everything else

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AI slop is decreasing literacy (in the broad sense, including things like media literacy) at a faster rate than it was decreasing before.

This is the cornerstone of your argument and there is no real proof of:

Literacy falling faster after November 30th 2022 than before that date (correlation)
Literacy falling because of LLMs (causation)

This is exactly where you're making a jump that I cannot make. My argument is that I can believe in LLMs being responsible for exacerbating upstream effects, but I cannot accept that LLMs are even in the running compared to the elephant in the room: austerity

We're arguing a well known documented effect vs a novel unstudied effect. There is more evidence that austerity is a fuzzy vibes based inverse of the printing press than there that LLMs are.