I'm sorry, so fucking angry. Students with sources that don't exist. Students with sources that exist but then the quotation doesn't exist.
I'm so fucking mad, because it's extra work for me (that I'm sure as hell not getting compensated for), and it also entirely defeats the purpose of the fucking class (it's writing/research, so like, engaging in a discipline and looking at what's been written before on your topic, etc.)
Kill me please. Comrades, I'm so tired. I just want to teach writing. I want to give students a way to exercise agency in the world -- to both see bad arguments and make good ones. They don't care. I'm so tired.
BTW, I took time to look up some of these sources my student used, couldn't find the quotes they quote, so told them the paper is an "A" if they can show me every quotation and failing otherwise. Does this seem like a fair policy (my thought is -- no matter the method, fabrication of evidence is justification for failing work)?
Well of course, being a real researcher is a lot harder then asking ChatGPT so if you make it optional they're not gonna do it.
The Bibliography is worth points. It's actually designed specifically to encourage research -- it's graded based on # of sources with a specific goal (that I explain) that it should document their reading and include everything they use to find sources as well (the idea pedagogically is that it's actually giving them credit when they read something they decide not to use).
Right but what I'm saying is make them show their work to a higher standard than typical publishing bibliography requirements. That's entirely fair given the state of play vis-a-vis LLMs. Make it easier on you to fail them, it's more work for them to fake a research corpus with real and fake sources in Zotero. It's easier for you to detect a completely falsified document this way.
Yeah there's other stuff for that, but it doesn't help that they're not persuaded showing their work is valuable (despite my insistence at the beginning of the quarter all the stuff is there to help them).
Can't get too into deets because I could potentially doxx myself (don't expect me to share prompts, etc). Needless to say, I feel like my annotated bibliography has a fairly strong standard for proving material is extant. It's the students that neglect to do so that end up getting got....
I manage software production and I have similar problems regarding programmers and code quality. My red line is, I'll explain the whys and hows but at the end of the day I don't give a shit what you think because you don't have to be responsible for the software and I do -- so we're gonna make it easier on me. You can lead a horse to water and all....