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I'm sorry, so fucking angry. Students with sources that don't exist. Students with sources that exist but then the quotation doesn't exist.

I'm so fucking mad, because it's extra work for me (that I'm sure as hell not getting compensated for), and it also entirely defeats the purpose of the fucking class (it's writing/research, so like, engaging in a discipline and looking at what's been written before on your topic, etc.)

Kill me please. Comrades, I'm so tired. I just want to teach writing. I want to give students a way to exercise agency in the world -- to both see bad arguments and make good ones. They don't care. I'm so tired.

BTW, I took time to look up some of these sources my student used, couldn't find the quotes they quote, so told them the paper is an "A" if they can show me every quotation and failing otherwise. Does this seem like a fair policy (my thought is -- no matter the method, fabrication of evidence is justification for failing work)?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was in conversation with a friend who works in tech and we were talking about a thing that we wanted to find some science on. So I found a paper on it and started to read, but before I got done he replied by sending me a chat gpt summary of the paper. And I could already tell it wasn't correct from reading it myself even a little. What I really wanted to say to him was that I'd rather think for myself, tyvm.

If students are all doing this now, nobody will think of anything themselves anymore or form an actual deep understanding of a thing, be it whatever. Not really. Anyone who has done reading knows how that shapes us and then can develop into something deeper. It's the f'n "innovation" these same tech types go on and on about that dies with this tech.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I was in conversation with a friend who works in tech and we were talking about a thing that we wanted to find some science on. So I found a paper on it and started to read, but before I got done he replied by sending me a chat gpt summary of the paper. And I could already tell it wasn’t correct from reading it myself even a little. What I really wanted to say to him was that I’d rather think for myself, tyvm.

This happens in academia without LLMs. Plenty of official tertiary sources used in curricula across the US insinuate that Adam Smith described capitalism as an "invisible hand of the market" because Paul Samuelson is a propagandist.

How many people claim they read Marx and then go on to make a stupid statement about how "Marx did not consider some brain dead topic the speaker just came up with"?

LLM's merely accelerate these accepted and proliferated social practices. Don't get me wrong this is "new", but many people are arguing as if guns don't exist and LLMs are a nuke. When in practice we've been shooting bolt action rifles and LLMs are a gas operated machine gun.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Pretty much. The same people doing this are the same people that were already prone to doing something similar.