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Sexism is everywhere once you start looking for it.
ohh I see the male defaultism everywhere. I am a woman and work in a warehouse, it comes up often when all the folks (another woman in the warehouse with me) are referred to as "guys". sure, most of the folks are men but still, it's kinda disrespectful imo. but I saw a super clear example the other day watching a Cody Ko youtube video where Cody was commentating on, like, cringe podcasters or something. but there was a man who was addressing a 4 or 5 person group of only, all women. the male podcaster felt uncomfortable saying "hey women" or something and then chose "hey guys" instead. like, how more egregious can you get? they're ALL women, and yet you think it's a-ok to refer to them as "guys". how hard is it to go to "hey gals" or "hey ladies" 🙄 as an aside, I hate when people say "men and females" like we're a separate fucking species. I see that shit everywhere on less leftist communities, like reddit. haven't seen it too much yet on lemmy but it'll happen eventually as the site gains more users
To me, "guys" has been a gender-neutral term for a while now. At least that's how it's used here in my little bubble in Europe.
Same in my area of Canada.
It's the same in the US as well.
Its also the same in basically every Spanish speaking country, considering that you would refer to a mixed group of people by a masculine word. Only a group of just women would get a feminine word, and only if there was zero ambiguity
There is a huge swath of the US where we dont say y’all, we dont say you all, we dont say youse, yinz, or none of that. We just say “you guys” to refer to any group of people, in the same place anyone would use any of those other words or phrases.
Its annoying people get bent out of shape about it as if its some artifact of the patriarchy when its literally just a non-country way of saying “y’all”. It undermines actual legitimate issues when people complain about non-issues like that
Just wondering if either of you asked the girls/women how they feel about it.
Yes. Non issue here.
However, I prefer to use "folks". Am old and come from a time when it wasn't gender neutral.
I'm in my mid 60's. I put up with it but I don't like it much.
Indeed. "Guys" here (US) is just the millennial version of "Folx"
Non-native speaker here, but which terms could one use to address mixed groups?
I would use "Everybody", "Folks", "All" or simply "Hey there".
They're being overly sensitive, in most contexts guys is considered a gender neutral term these days. English is just dealing with the slow loss of gender from the language and it's reached the point where there are so few instances of gendered words left that the ones that are stick out and feel a little awkward. Or like in the case of the parent post where people fixate on the linguistic fossils left in the language and decide to take offense by intentionally interpreting phrases in anachronistic ways rather than modern usage.
comrades, workers and peasants of the glorious union /s
Hey everybody, this kid is just now realizing that the language people use reflects the world they live in!
Like it or not, we inherited a world where most professions were and still are occupied by males.
Honestly, you would get a lot more respect if you took a play out of the 'worker male' playbook and didn't complain about every little thing that makes you slightly uncomfortable. Over time, people would stop treating you differently because you're not acting different.