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That limits and gatekeeps access to an enormous degree. The IA wants to be useful to everyone, not just the tiny fraction of the world population savvy enough to use the internet for more than opening a browser and a chat client.
Counterpoint: The perpetration of this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized to the point of meaninglessness. Intellectual property can either go away top-down (which considering the way things went over the past century is never going to happen) or it can go away bottom up - it has to be flaunted and disregarded by everybody via continued large-scale disobedience.
Or, of course, it could just never go away.
Not necessarily, I wasn't really proposing to just torrent everything. I was kinda dreaming of a more creative solution that trivialises access while abstracts the actual hosting away from individuals.
Perhaps, but if so this just isn't the way to achieve that. IA doesn't seem sustainable.
Sounds like a cool idea, why don't you set it up?
Because I'm not facing a $700m legal claim with a change.org petition as my best defence.
Archive.org has been operating for 30 years. You think your shitty little sarcasm is equivalent to an institution thats been around nearly as long as the internet, and yet has entirely resisted and avoided any of the enshittification thats infected literally everything else thats come after it? The internet archive is one of the last fundamentally good and public serving institutions and somehow you're licking the boots of record companies trying to capitalize on expired copyright claims. Reexamine your priorities and fuck off while youre at it, since your 'better idea' is clearly to just do nothing at all.
Lets back up the truck a little.
This sarcastic little witticism required a sarcastic and witty response, which I provided.
Obviously I'm not going to set it up because, as I said in my earlier comments it's a dreamy idea. I could go on to say, in the absence of such a technological solution, archive.org should still refrain from copyright infringement because they quite obviously aren't viable with their current stance.
You'll have to help me understand how this is so. In my comments I laid out a plan to maintain archive.org's data for no (or very little) cost or effort, while ensuring that those record company's receive nothing.
For users, the value of archive.org is the data. However, that data has no value to litigators nor anyone else. You can literally let the existing organisation collapse, and take the data to form a new organisation.
If you want to interpret this plan as doing "nothing at all" then you're free to do so.
However, and forgive me this final sarcasm, doing nothing at all would be more productive than a change.org petition.