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Soooo Dems won't make it better but least won't make it worse. If 2 party then easy choice.
Shame people didnt do this 20 years ago and voted gop out of existence.
But they did make it worse, their policies led directly to where the US is now.
It's so fucking ridiculous!
In the past 30 years Dems were in power 2/3 of the time, so they very obviously did contribute to the state of affairs that led to Trump being elected twice!
Or if the country moved rightward regardless of what team the President represents, then it means voting in this system is only ceremonial and completely useless activity.
Either Dems are enablers of Fascists or voting is useless, there's no third option.
Well biden won by 20 mil and then those votes went away and didnt even go third party. So seems like disenfranchisement than country moving more than moving right.
Which democrats let happen without pushback
It's also extreme disillusionment. Everyone is checked out and realizes Democrats are genocidal frauds now
Well that's the truth but at least vote third party. If im right then dems will follow the votes. They see 29 mil suddenly happen for third party ill bet my hat they will change tune. Im convinced they go right cause those are the people that vote.
You do realise that it's a big part of a politician's job to mobilise the masses to vote?
historically speaking people with power are dumb dumbs and/or go for low hanging fruit. Hence DNC courting all those republicans voters in last cycle. Old ppl vote more comparatively.
You worldview is fundamentally an anti-human dead end with no path forward
So voting dnc as a stop gap and promoting progressive candidates is anti human and no path forward? What am I then pro dinosaur?
You've basically already accepted defeat. You're admitting that the DNC will keep moving to the right regardless of our actions, and also that we have no alternative than to vote for them anyway. Have you game theoried that out to see where that ends? That's why I call it a dead-end.
So the Dems did make it worse by being terrible at running the country during the 20 years they've been in power over the past 30 years?
They fucked up strategically: creating the material conditions for the rise of Fascism
and they fucked up tactically by running two terrible candidates who abetted genocide in Gaza, and couldn't even be bothered to promise a feeble social democratic programme (which would be less than the bare minimum), and because of this tactical mistake they've lost to fucking Trump who is very clearly an idiot.
Calling it a fuckup implies that Democrats actually care about winning elections and developing the country, which is debatable after all these fuckups and all their anti-left rhetoric...
So what's your plan on this?
What do you mean my plan?
The topic is:
Yes, there is.
I'm not American, I just hate both the US power elite and the bootlickers making excuses for them. Fuck them all, because they make the world worse for the rest of us...
I could go on and on about EU neoliberals as well, but that's not the topic at hand, and they are basically behave like vassals to the US anyway
I mean giving the stating there is ratchet effect is fine. Its true. But what can be done to change it. Status quo is never letting it go right.
While we promote progressives within the country and rally behind them Peaceful options are:
vote blue no matter who. Yes i know all the bs with dems.
Vote third party. Drop in bucket until the silent masses join.
Obama oversaw the largest decrease in black household wealth in american history
The function of a ratchet is to make an object go in one direction more easily. Democrats fulfill a function in propeling the country rightward. This was arguably not true 80 years ago but post-Reagan they are part of a process of rightward movement. Voting for and legitimizing them is moving the country right and making things worse.
I get not voting dem so please vote for a third party. And do not sleep on it.
Just never vote gop.
Im not hoping for dems to change im hoping they stay status quo long enough for gop to die.
i can assure you the commies are not implying you should vote GOP
They going third party? If so bless them for it. As long as they dont skip the vote at all.
Any arguments for harm reduction were gunned down in the streets of Gaza.
"Gaza? never heard of it.
Lalalalalalalallaal cant hear you. Head in sand.
Genocide? Innocent lives?
No no no insurgents even that baby and those reporting and uh its in the Torah..."
I could do narcissist prayer but It disgusts me to go any further.
???
25 years ago the Democrats won the election against Bush and then Gore gave up. They personally handed the presidency over to the republicans. Democrats like to lose even when they win. Then 21 years ago the Dems ran on a platform of "we'll kill Muslims more efficiently than the Republicans."
Democrats don't want to win. Their primary purpose is to prevent a left from existing.
Also don't forget Nancy Pelosi's statement about the country needing a "strong republican party" last year. These people are ghouls and aren't to be trusted.
Oh bet they need a strong gop. Of course they do they need thier boogie man. Without the gop guess who's the most right wing popular party now? Can't rack in that donation money without them.
twenty years ago people gave the Dems a super-majority; they used it to lock in the fascist policies of the Bush admin and give a massive hand out the wealthy.
No, my friend, you're wrong. The Washington Democrats do make it worse. They (most of them) are willing participants in making life worse for the average American, and they know it, and they don't care.
Don’t make me tap the sign again
You need to zoom out. Imagine you're looking back at this moment from 100 years in the future. If people said "the Dems won't make it better but at least they won't make it worse" and just kept the system going, do you think it will ever lead to progress? Will the whole system ever improve?
You need to look for a solution outside of that system. Stop looking for lesser evils in the ballot box. First, look to the people immediately around you and try to join local organizations that might be directly working to improve their conditions (soup kitchens, women's shelters, etc). Then, organize labor: figure out how to join a union, if there isn't one read the IWW (or any other big union near you) manual on organizing your workplace and find support to start organizing your workplace. Then from there, your objective should be to take the workers' struggle to the national and international stage. Change doesn't come from the ballot box, it comes from building alternative power structures ourselves.
I agree with all you said. No it won't improve just give time for gop to age out. Since they are actively making things worse. Least dems aren't trying that hard to deport people or remove renewables.
Though I think change could have happened if 20 mil people voted third party or for Harris instead of sleeping in. Seeing Trump lose twice would have been a great catalyst for changing gop.
Biden deported more people than Trump 1 did. Biden placed tariffs on solar panels and renewables made in China and continued Trump's trade war. ICE was never abolished or defunded, the police were never defunded. His campaign rode on the back of the 2020 protests and then smothered it in its infancy with a pillow.