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They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren't joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.
They've been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling "liberalism a mental disorder."
Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA's the push to destroy America
Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.
Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn't all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.
They just have more access to information - if they don't surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.
Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they're hoping for.
They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless... and, many, traitors.
Some need to be made an example of.
But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I'm not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.
But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim "liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed."
Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren't the ones with the real power.
It's not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.
Yes. They do. And they're right. They'll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn't worry them. Not even a little bit.
They're still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.
Yet when the office worker is informed that his car is going to burn down or somebody will come into his house and smash his TV, he will take action.
Billionaires identify with their property. They won't simply accept that it melts down.
But billionaires are so desperately unlike the office worker. You know, how if someone took your penny, you wouldn't worry. And in fact they could take a penny from you every day for three years and now you're down a whole ten dollars but it just simply isn't an issue. You know that a thousand times as much as you've lost will be turning up in the next few months. That's how billionaires relate to a million dollars. A million. It'll show up for them in the next month or two. They're not worried. Why would they worry about money? You don't worry about pennies, they don't worry about millions. Stop thinking that billionaires worry about money.
Now if the entire global capitalist system were to completely crumble, then that's an issue, but that's absolutely not what's happening. Billionaires are almost incomprehensibly wealthy and a crash of 10% just doesn't matter. At all. There are other countries than the USA and they'll absolutely leave if necessary. They spend plenty of time in their overseas properties anyway for tax purposes. Borders are for ordinary people.
cause they didnt think it would fail.
They thought they'd buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.
This can't be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.
For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won't follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.
Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It's one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.
This only works if the rivers aren't taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn't happen? That's why I specified sea ports.
because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don't give them any food/minerals/etc.
and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.
They don't want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.
That's the beauty of a port, the port people can get everything from China or the rest of the world. Of course, likewise, the midle america people can build railroads.
That's a very interesting game, but I doubt that the billionaires want to play it.
Stop pretending that people who hoard more money & power than entire countries and have to abuse countless workers to get there have the same level of rational thought as you and me.
It's like the idea of being a king. When you can, at will, throw folks in jail... it messes you up. It changes how you view the world and your role in it.
Then remember that it's not like these guys all just went "I'm a billionaire. That's it. I won. I'm done"
They kept chasing money and kept growing. They kept chasing power. You realize that some of them are thinking about more than just being an influential billionaire, right?
Once again
some of them want their own cities. Look up "freedom cities." Trump has stated, in a 2-3 minute camera clip, that he would like to auction off federal land to billionaires for them to run their own cities. It is unsaid but implied that they would get to make the laws there.
It's literally what Peter Thiel has been trying to accomplish for the rich & wealthy for decades.
"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." -Peter Thiel
The only thing these right wingers mean when they say freedom is the freedom for rich people to screw the rest of us even more.
Power. And. Money. Corrupt. You know the saying. It's not a meme, buddy. We have thousands of years of history to show us how often rich & powerful go looney
Hint: it's most of the time
It's convenient to explain everything with stupidity and corruption. However I expect that billionaires are more rational than average people. There must be a convincing plan that keeps them in line.
That is the dumbest thing you could have possibly said. Are you just lying?
Take a look at history. How about the Palace of Versailles?
Rich. People. Are. Not. More. Rational. It is not rational to hoard all of your money is banks while other people starve and get angry at you.
That convincing plan is greed.
It's not that simple. If you store your money in banks, the banks are going to lend it out, even being allowed to lend several times more than you had put in.
It's also rational but evil, to have starving people so that the others are 'motivated'.
Versailles was very rational: bind the aristocracy at the capital so that they couldn't organize revolutions at home.
But that's a good argument, Versailles' aristocrats didn't see the revolution of the people coming.
The difference is that Versailles' aristocrats ignored the change of history whereas the Republicans are changing history. People must be on board with that change. If greed is the plan, how do the billionaires make money by dismantling the USA?
Brother. I'll say it one more time because it's clear you aren't following the story from comment to comment
Peter Thiel, a buddy of Elon Musk, has been trying to get land for billionaires for decades. It is literally the plan to overthrow democracy & give themselves land/city states. Called freedom cities.
I already said you can google a video of Trump saying it.
You are literally either lying or in cognitive dissonance. Billionaires are not more rational than us. Power and money corrupts. It always has. It always does. Stop making excuses for rich people or else you advocate for the same monarchy that Elon Musk does
I agree with you that Musk and Thiel are stupid or at least front their real plan with a stupid plan.
My point is that there must be some billionaires who see the stupidity and given that they are billionaires, they have the resources to make themselves heard, they must argue against the plan. However, there is just silence, apart from one Koch brother.
That silence makes me believe that the shown plan is not the real plan and that it's a show to distract from something else, most likely something more evil, but which makes economic sense to the other billionaires, unlike the freedom cities.
You're acting like these billionaires are all a monolith that are all going to act the exact same way.
That is a mistake, and one that will cost you, as underestimating people in previous conflicts, revolutions, etc, have before.
They are not all knowing. They are not all powerful. They, too, make mistakes and believe lies.
Of course it's not their final plan. We don't even know what phase 2 of project 2025 is.
But everything they've openly said about project 2025 has pretty much come true... and all very consistently seems to be working toward this goal of Balkanizing the US. It might not happen during Trump's presidency. The tech bros plan for longer than 4 years
But the tech bros don't care about EVERY billionaire. They're not all in the circle. This isn't the rich guy circle. This is the dark enlightenment tech bro circle.
Does it make WAY more sense than the rest of the billionaires just aren't 100% informed about what's going on and are trying to hedge their OWN bets?
Again, I agree we don't have the full story. But you are putting almost superhuman levels of intelligence on these billionaires... when it's just not true
I expect the rich guy circle to have access to the best information sources. Besides, the dark enlightenment circle will talk to them to have them on their side, so they know the details.
These people don't have to rely on newspapers. They can spend 10 million to have ten of the most brilliant people analyze the plan.
Simple balkanization doesn't make sense. I am sure that whatever is shown as the plan is false as long as I don't see the path to prosperity for the rich guy circle.
US democracy is formed under the influence of the rich guy circle. It is what they want to have. Why are they giving it away?
Continuing to act as these people are all one unit. Stupidity. Can't go in circles if you won't apply any critical thinking. Already made it very clear not every single billionaire does want to do this.
But some of them do. It's those ones that are dangerous.
But go ahead and keep giving yourself a reach around and trying to figure out why not every single billionaire literally acts in lock step with each other... good lord it's painful.
Have a good one bud.
Thanks.
Yet, let me tell you that my argument is precisely that these people are not one unit. You must also be misunderstanding me.
Anyway, this was a nice conversation. Thanks again.
Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both "parties" agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?
Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.
We are on the same side. If you're not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.
When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel's side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel's influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don't want to fund genocide. Period.)
Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to "tut tut" you for being anti-Semitic.
Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.
And the death camp is only a formality. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd have the police gun you down in the street and start issuing death warrants.