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[–] 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)

shout out to the trickster mod which is basically "what if magic is a lisp"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Interesting. Does this provide any game balance whatsoever?

    I spent an embarrassing amount of time trying to design magic systems when I was a teenager, but they always ended up being either way too powerful or not "rich" enough to be interesting. It's just really hard to design a simple mechanical system that stays within arbitrary human boundaries.

    Hmm, I feel myself getting drawn back in. That's almost like a zero-knowledge proof, and there's lots of weird ways to implement cryptographic primitives.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Well, ir's obviously not balanced for vanilla. But I had talked to the quite a while ago now. And they did try to walk a fine balance of being useful and fun, but not too over the top. They apply limitations where it makes sense for them.
    Especially since there is PvP.

    If you liked Hex Casting, or even Psi. This should be right up your alley. It's also less tedious than either of them I would say.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i guess you could say the learning curve is a balance feature. it's an entire functional programming language in a pretty unergonomic form factor, so actually building spells that do anything impressive takes a lot of time.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Only until you've figured it out, at which point you're god. You could make it non-repeatable somehow to avoid that, but magic is depicted as being mainly old, repeated spells most of the time, like in the comic. You could also move to something like Brainfuck or even Malbolge where coding a single new program is hard. As I learned the hard way, though, you're still going to have no control over what ends up being easy and what's not.

    Actually, it's more like homeomorphic encryption since you have a system of some bounded complexity instead of a single fixed piece of information. That's usually harder, but then again you actually want the scheme to be "insecure" in this case.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    i think that's just a fundamental problem with designing magic systems though. if you design it logically, it doesn't feel like magic. if you design it by feel, it doesn't make sense. if you want it to feel magic but still be tricky to learn, it becomes a mess.

    in the context of minecraft mods there's also not much you can do.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah that mod is really cool. The magic writing system is fucking awesome.

    Even cooler than Hex Casting in my opinion (which is already super cool).

    And It's quite a bit easier to work with since it's not stack-based and that you can edit different parts of you spell/program at any point.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Whats the issue with Stack based?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    When I worked with a stack Hex Casting's stacks, it was hard to go back and edit previous parts of the program that are stored deeper in the stack. A lot of it has also to do with Hex Casting's writing design maybe, everything is evaluated more immediately from what I remember.

    The other thing is that Trickster's programs are tree/graph based, which makes the layout of the programs a lot easier to understand logically.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Omfg I read all of this for far to long thinking you meant casting spells with a lithp lisp. Like you might cast similarly named spells randomly. "Must be Skyrim, cool. Click! Minecraft doesn't have spells, what?"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    How does it compare to hex Casting? I Tried getting into it but it seemed a Bit weird

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    hex casting is stack-based and has lots of different blocks for doing different things. trickster is fully functional and has very few blocks, but isn't as well balanced for use with other mods. at least i think that's the case.

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