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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (4 children) What's up with this centrist nonsense? It's a good thing to want to change the existing power structures actually. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 1 year ago (3 children) I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lyricanna@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I'm presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn't get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more permalink fedilink source parent [–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago While I agree in theory, it assumes the existing system has rational or somewhat rational actors. If your system is full of counter productive individuals, it might be easier to start fresh. This works better with groups and companies, entire countries, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don't reform, revolt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don't think it's a great aspiration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -11 points 1 year ago (3 children) some will die, that is a sacrifice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago You first permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This isn't happening Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. "Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!" As we're rounded up and deported to El Salvador permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that's basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent [–] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) but where are the parallel structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form permalink fedilink source parent [–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Such things are possible without the collapse of society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Ok but we've only been successful at collapsing society so far, not in the reform department permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Personally im a Anarcho-Syndicalist so imo the system can be used. We can use economic sabotage, general strikes, and eventually take over the economy rather than burning it all down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) anarchy-syndicalist have always supported revolution and the complete overthrown of hierarchies its never been about slow incremental change within existing power structures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago Ok that was just poorly worded, what I meant to say is that theres no point in burning it all down without a plan. The seeds of revolution are planted before it begins. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago This is a false dichotomy. You have to have a viable counter structure already built otherwise you are just making shit worse and hoping fascists don't take over. Letting shit just collapse on purpose also will just foster resentment in like 2/3rds of the population toward people who let it happen or encouraged it to happen. Which seems to be MLs and leftwing foreign policy activists, at least here on Lemmy. I'm not going to join hands with someone that played an active or passive role in potentially ruining my life and my loved one's lives even if they're ideologically very similar otherwise. Spite becomes more powerful than a desire for positive change in large groups of angry people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Ehh it's about building a powerful international worker syndicate that can replace the state as painlessly as possible. So you're technically right, but your comment is misleading in the context of the one you responded to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago Not if it means creating a hellscape and rolling the dice hoping it works out as you let a fascist win an election. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 1 year ago (3 children) I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lyricanna@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I'm presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn't get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more permalink fedilink source parent [–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago While I agree in theory, it assumes the existing system has rational or somewhat rational actors. If your system is full of counter productive individuals, it might be easier to start fresh. This works better with groups and companies, entire countries, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don't reform, revolt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don't think it's a great aspiration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -11 points 1 year ago (3 children) some will die, that is a sacrifice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago You first permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This isn't happening Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. "Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!" As we're rounded up and deported to El Salvador permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that's basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent [–] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) but where are the parallel structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lyricanna@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I'm presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn't get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more permalink fedilink source parent [–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] match@pawb.social 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago While I agree in theory, it assumes the existing system has rational or somewhat rational actors. If your system is full of counter productive individuals, it might be easier to start fresh. This works better with groups and companies, entire countries, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don't reform, revolt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don't think it's a great aspiration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -11 points 1 year ago (3 children) some will die, that is a sacrifice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago You first permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This isn't happening Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. "Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!" As we're rounded up and deported to El Salvador permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that's basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent [–] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) but where are the parallel structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don't think it's a great aspiration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -11 points 1 year ago (3 children) some will die, that is a sacrifice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago You first permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -11 points 1 year ago (3 children) some will die, that is a sacrifice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] segabased@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago You first permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Farquaad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This isn't happening Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. "Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!" As we're rounded up and deported to El Salvador permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that's basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that's basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class Edgy teenager take. Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting "democracy" to maintain their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) actual history Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes actually your government approved school propaganda isn't properly critical of the government sorry you are so surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago So much edge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) but where are the parallel structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Such things are possible without the collapse of society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Ok but we've only been successful at collapsing society so far, not in the reform department permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Ok but we've only been successful at collapsing society so far, not in the reform department permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Personally im a Anarcho-Syndicalist so imo the system can be used. We can use economic sabotage, general strikes, and eventually take over the economy rather than burning it all down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) anarchy-syndicalist have always supported revolution and the complete overthrown of hierarchies its never been about slow incremental change within existing power structures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago Ok that was just poorly worded, what I meant to say is that theres no point in burning it all down without a plan. The seeds of revolution are planted before it begins. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago This is a false dichotomy. You have to have a viable counter structure already built otherwise you are just making shit worse and hoping fascists don't take over. Letting shit just collapse on purpose also will just foster resentment in like 2/3rds of the population toward people who let it happen or encouraged it to happen. Which seems to be MLs and leftwing foreign policy activists, at least here on Lemmy. I'm not going to join hands with someone that played an active or passive role in potentially ruining my life and my loved one's lives even if they're ideologically very similar otherwise. Spite becomes more powerful than a desire for positive change in large groups of angry people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Ehh it's about building a powerful international worker syndicate that can replace the state as painlessly as possible. So you're technically right, but your comment is misleading in the context of the one you responded to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) anarchy-syndicalist have always supported revolution and the complete overthrown of hierarchies its never been about slow incremental change within existing power structures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago Ok that was just poorly worded, what I meant to say is that theres no point in burning it all down without a plan. The seeds of revolution are planted before it begins. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago This is a false dichotomy. You have to have a viable counter structure already built otherwise you are just making shit worse and hoping fascists don't take over. Letting shit just collapse on purpose also will just foster resentment in like 2/3rds of the population toward people who let it happen or encouraged it to happen. Which seems to be MLs and leftwing foreign policy activists, at least here on Lemmy. I'm not going to join hands with someone that played an active or passive role in potentially ruining my life and my loved one's lives even if they're ideologically very similar otherwise. Spite becomes more powerful than a desire for positive change in large groups of angry people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Ehh it's about building a powerful international worker syndicate that can replace the state as painlessly as possible. So you're technically right, but your comment is misleading in the context of the one you responded to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago Ok that was just poorly worded, what I meant to say is that theres no point in burning it all down without a plan. The seeds of revolution are planted before it begins. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago This is a false dichotomy. You have to have a viable counter structure already built otherwise you are just making shit worse and hoping fascists don't take over. Letting shit just collapse on purpose also will just foster resentment in like 2/3rds of the population toward people who let it happen or encouraged it to happen. Which seems to be MLs and leftwing foreign policy activists, at least here on Lemmy. I'm not going to join hands with someone that played an active or passive role in potentially ruining my life and my loved one's lives even if they're ideologically very similar otherwise. Spite becomes more powerful than a desire for positive change in large groups of angry people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Ehh it's about building a powerful international worker syndicate that can replace the state as painlessly as possible. So you're technically right, but your comment is misleading in the context of the one you responded to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago Not if it means creating a hellscape and rolling the dice hoping it works out as you let a fascist win an election. permalink fedilink source parent