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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The difference is, in the bottom left we've been aware the Empire is receding and are already creating new structures in the cracks left behind

The other three quadrants are just doing the same old shit

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All would say the same thing there. Look at the auth right we have today and the rhetoric of 'the decadent decay of society and the need to rebuild traditional structures...'

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    None of the other three have the concept of prefiguration

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So I went looking for how you might define the term outside of a pre-ordained order of society and found it somewhat comical that the M/W dictionary's first example came from the playbook of the poster child for fascism...

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prefiguration

    This chilling prefiguration of Hitler’s Final Solution is unmistakable, and Heidegger never explained, let alone apologized for, such horrendous statements. —Gregory Fried, Foreign Affairs, 17 Oct. 2014

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They can say the same, but who's structures would you rather be a part of, given the choice? Horizontally-organized ones that function cooperatively, or the same crap you've got right now?

    All we gotta do is keep showing people that better ways exist and work.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't argue with the notion that virtually anything is better than we have now. I'd probably fall somewhere leftish but pretty neutral in the auth/lib scale. Basically to say having central authority enough to get things like big science, public infra, and foundational enforcement to the extent of ensuring people play by the agreed rules, but not the elite group dictation of them we have now. The idea of the self moderating and communal policing commune sounds nice, but unrealistic if you have anyone not following that path in or near the society.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think there are plenty of people of all political ideologies who don’t fall into this intellectual trap. But I took this as criticism of a very real breed of political slacktivist who thinks that their preferred society is so natural or inevitable that it will just happen automatically whenever the current rulers fuck up badly enough.

    But this is just fairy tale thinking. New societal structures are built from the bottom up and only replace the existing ones when a state of incredible weakness for one structure coexists with a state of strength for the new structure.

    So I kind of agree but there are definitely lib-left people who engage in this type of thinking. It seems like insurrectionary anarchists largely fit in that category, but someone who knows more about their ideology can correct me if I got it wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I consider myself one ;) post-left anarchism in general

    We're not waiting around for a revolution, we're of a mind to DIY where we can. At least, that's the idea. Individual actions may vary.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Ah gotcha well if you are genuinely building new structures then you are not the type I’m talking about, so it’s possible my above statement was a mischaracterization. I’ve just run into some people whose plan for replacing the state/capitalism is basically:

    Set fire to shit

    ???

    Profit Anarchist utopia

    And I just don’t think that has any chance of working whatsoever.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    a very real breed of political slacktivist who thinks that their preferred society is so natural or inevitable that it will just happen automatically whenever the current rulers fuck up badly enough.

    Excellent description.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The bottom left will also at least get anarchy briefly after any collapse.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, an opportunity for it.

    Anarchism means "no rulers" not "no rules". Smaller communities tend to organize cooperatively by nature, but we have to consciously organize so seizure of power is preventable.

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