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I can’t wait to hear the progressives tell us why we shouldn’t vote for whichever democrat runs against him.
The primary is the time to vote for the candidate you believe in. The general is for whichever aligns better (not perfectly, but better) with your interests. Not that hard.
Oh good, more shitting on progressives for no good reason.
Pew
It just seems like you hate progressives for no particular reason despite them being the passionate part of the party.
But who knows, maybe electing a centrist will work this time; after all, we've got to get those sweet conservative votes.
Biden won 2020, Harris lost 2024.
Very good! I'm so proud of you.
Now do you have any reason beyond your feelings as to why you blame the progressives in 2024? I'm talking data.
I showed you mine, let's see yours.
Your data was from 2020.
I was not aware that Biden was president in 2020.
So... Just feelings then. Good to know.
This is your source, correct?
It is!
Are you suggesting that the progressives did a 180 on their priorities and hatred for Trump? Because that seems like a ridiculous thing to believe about the most engaged segment of Democratic voters.
Those must be some pretty powerful feelings you've got.
You're talking about 2020.
Why did people vote for both AOC and Trump on the same ticket?
A good number of the progressives are also accelerationists.
Let's see those numbers!
Unless you don't have them?
I don't care about feelings, I want numbers.
Also, are you saying that everyone who voted for AOC was a progressive? Because that seems wrong if they also voted for a fascist. How do you separate out the people who aren't progressives and voted for AOC? Feelings?
Surely there's a non-zero number of them. Why are you counting them as progressives who crossed over instead of MAGA who did?
These are the numbers that matter and they are from 2024 unlike any you've produced.
Yes, we've established that Harris lost. Remember when we did that?
You've yet to demonstrate your claim that it was the progressives fault though despite your constant bitching about it. It sure seems like you're incapable of doing so or you'd have done it already.
What makes you think it was the progressives' doing and not Biden refusing to step aside to have a real primary? Oh that's right: you'd never blame the center for their incompetence.
As a reminder this is the comment you started replying to and if you need 'numbers' or 'a source' for this you're either sealioning or you took all of 2024 off the internet.
there is no way I'm voting for newsome or Shapiro.
Even if the other choice is for Trump’s third term?
I'm not voting for Shapiro again. I guess newsome has some chance with me, but he's been doing his level best to end that.
So if 2028 was Shapiro vs Trump you’d sit it out or vote third party?
absolutely. if you have any say in the primary, remember I'm in Pennsylvania
This is probably the one biggest flaw with democracies.
Shapiro is a slime ball and you shouldn't want him anyway. he's mark Levin with a d next to his name.
So we're going with the loudest dipshits on the Internet being representative of the caucus?
Then I have bad news about the way centrists talk about their allies in the progressive caucus.
Both of the progressives?
Ah yes, I love how progressives are both too small to matter, yet large enough to throw a whole-ass election.
I'm talking about the ones in caucus.
It sounds like you're just saying whatever you can to blame the progressives instead of the vast majority of the party then.
Maybe they shouldn't structurally oppose the people who get that crossover vote by actually helping their constituency? You know, the people who don't take money from billionaires and therefore aren't beholden to them?
Can you show me numbers that doing that would net them more vote and not cost them votes?
I thought we were arguing over feelings?
Besides, I'm using the stuff you provided— MAGA voters crossed over to vote for AOC.
Okay this conversation isn't going anywhere you're refusing to source claims after getting angry at me for the same thing and now you're editing comments after I've responded to them.
I do apologize for that edit, I did so at the same time that you responded.
And for the record, I do have a lot of respect for you. It's just frustrating how you blame people to your left for the failings of a rigidly centrist party.
It’s so fucking sad but true.
what’s sad is still believing in a two party system both paid by the same entities.