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The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.

The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:

This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.

Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.

Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.

Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).

I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:

If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago) (3 children)

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 Early Bird: a parrot, orangered colors Jolly Roger: an icon of pirate jolly roger skull wearing a hat, in orange-red, black and white colors A book with a loaf of bread in the cover  in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

  • For: First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color (4), Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors (3), Powder Monkey: An icon of powder barrel in orange-red, black and white colors (1), Vouched: a minimalist compass icon. Orangered color (8)
  • Against:
  • Local Community: +0.8
  • Outsider sentiment: Supportive
  • Total: +16.8
  • Percentage: 100.00%

This vote will complete in 1 days


Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

These images are insane on my mobile Connect app. it's eight screen lengths of scrolling to get to the reply button just for this one comment.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

yo need to contact the developer of you app and ask them to handle and resize lemmy emojis properly. They can be identified by their markdown code as they all have a special emoji string assigned like so "emoji vouched"

This is how they look on tesseract:

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is how it looks like on the web-UI via Tor Browser (Android)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Alexandrite (zoomed out to 0.25%):

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Also looks like this in Sync. Maybe instead of every app needing to fix your images, you should just fix your images?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My images are already "fixed". Those clients don't follow the lemmy standard for emojis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I think every single Lemmy web UI (including lemmy.ml and lemmy.dbzer0.com) has it looking at least a little bit jacked-up:

I feel like it's possible that it's not correctly implemented anywhere except in Tesseract... the Lemmy web UI at least puts them inline with the text, but it still makes them massive instead of at an appropriate size for an emoji.

(I realize the code had nothing to do with you, but I think it would have been better to encode custom Lemmy emojis by doing a fallback emoji using the actual emoji character, followed by a block of U+FE00 block VS characters indicating a custom URL for a custom emoji image, so that apps that understand it can render it custom, but it still degrades gracefully into a normal emoji instead of jacking up people's displays and then telling them it's their fault that it happened.)

Edit: Actually... maybe markdown is better than weird invisible characters. This kind of thing is precisely what that block of Unicode is for, but I think it is bad design that it is there in the first place, so maybe it's not good to make use of them. The point that I'm trying to make is that it would have been better to make sure it gracefully degrades into something sensible instead of reusing image markdown in a way that's guaranteed to spring bad UX on everyone for some length of time, until they catch up to implementing things in the new way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

lemmyui has emojis like that regardless of how big you make them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

The default lemmyUI resizes to min 48x48 for some reason. This is a design choice by the developers. Tesseract defaults to 24x24 but can go to 48 if you want to. I agree that the current implementation could have been better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Sync isn't being maintained actively anymore, and I think this emoji standard was added after the last sync update (pretty sure as a response to hexbear federating with their emojis)

I have sync too, i haven't bothered to find a new app yet but maybe it's time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The most significant flair of the counted people who voted. Also see this link from the sidebar

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

maybe the vote message needs that link and a CTA otherwise you'll forever be answering these questions =)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm confused on how to vote. The vote tally shows for/against, and then "outsider sentiment support", and I'm not sure what that is, and also who and how gets to vote.

Also, I'd like to vote and that's what I really care about.

Defederate that shit quick.

I'm not sure if it's possible, but ban/block those accounts as well. Too bad we can't do more about preventing those cancerous people from doing more damage.

MathGr

Edit: I take back my unofficial vote to defederate. We should wait and see.

Also, lots of love out to our Admins here for (1) noticing this, (2) attempting to rectify and and (3) being reasonable (i.e. not using a sledgehammer) when it seems that appropriate steps have been taken at this time.

However, having seen this right-wing cancer destroy other social media platforms, I want to stress that we should be as proactive and ban-happy as we feel appropriate, because this shit is not going away.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You vote by simply up/down voting as usual. Check the sidebar of this comm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Thank you! I appreciate you and everything that you do!