They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.

Taking away the bins doesn't mean you don't produce rubbish....

Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)

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[–] 161 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I used to work for the Woodland Trust and believe that this is the right thing to do. Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow and attract unwanted pests like rats. Rats will also eat the eggs of ground nesting birds and cause other environmental issues.

If they are selling food on site then the food vendor should have a bin that their customers can use inside their cabin/cafe and dispose of the waste daily as part of the service.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow

    Think I found the problem— why not do the obvious thing and empty them more often?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Genuine answer here, as someone who volunteers for the parks. A lot of times the budgets are tight, depending on whose responsibility it is to clean up the area and what services are there/nearby, the staffing just isn't available. Yeah it's a pretty easy thing to do in theory, but in practice when it becomes "okay and 2 hours of your shift is driving out there and emptying the cans" it's not a far leap to just "Remove the cans, make the snack stand dispose of their garbage on their own"

    I mean I get it, the cans are nice but also, like you're an adult. Throw your trash away on your own.

    "But then people will throw it on the ground!" Okay then pay someone to stand out there and slap every idiot that thinks littering is okay because they couldn't find a can in 10 seconds.

    It's common decency in plenty of places around the world to take your garbage with you until you find a can. It's not hard.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s common decency in plenty of places around the world to take your garbage with you until you find a can.

    But you've removed all the cans rather than fix your budgeting problems.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's literally the patio of a commercial place that sells food enclosed in trash.

    If they rely on volunteers to clean the trash, a lot of people are doing lots of things very wrong.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Who’s gonna do it and pay for it?

    If people weren’t such babies and cleaned up after themselves, we wouldn’t need to waste taxpayers money on cleaning up after adults who could do it themselves.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The problem isn't that a park removed their trash cans. The problem is that a cafe removed their trash cans.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So they can't afford to keep the land they have in trust so it is all the landless peasantry that should labor for the land holders because kindness ?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because that would mean employing someone to empty them regularly, and as most woodland is few and far between in this country most woodland owners deem that an unnecessary expense.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There’s a cafe and forestry workers, is it that time consuming?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    And how do they get the garbage to the dump? You would need vehicles, insurance, garage, maintenance departments… it all snowballs.

    Just be responsible for your own garbage, not a hard concept.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    This is right by the cafe/site office/car park though. The reception desk is about 20m to the left and staffed during daylight hours year round.

    Not like it's in the middle of nowhere.

    I get your point, there are very few bins elsewhere (mostly by the other car parks) and that's fine. It's just that the place that gives you rubbish makes it hard to responsibly get rid of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Isn't there a bin at the cafe?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think that's the problem. I interpret it as the cafe removed their bins.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It’s a sign from the forest ministry, they removed their bins.

    Why on earth would you think a sign from the ministry of forestry would be speaking for and removing a cafes bins…?

    Read the fucking sign for fucks sakes. It’s literally, right fucking there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Read the fucking post for fucks sake. It's right fucking there.

    The sign says the bins were removed. The post headline says the bins were removed from the cafe area. This is a cafe at a visitor center at a forest.

    Before you go insulting the reading comprehension of others, try working on your own.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Sorry to break it to you, but the OP explicitly states that they believe bins are still inside the cafe. In other comments they also claim they are still available at other nearby parking lots.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    The cafe is a building itself and the park removed the bins from outside.

    You realize that OP probably missed stuff or intentionally withheld information to make this sound worse than it is?

    Before you go insulting the reading comprehension of others, try working on your own.

    Says the one assuming and claiming with zero evidence that the cafe removed them…? When there’s a nice little sign that explains everything already?

    Read the sign, and have a little critical thinking yourself. This isn’t that hard to comprehend.

    The cafe is a building. Inside are bins, OP had even stated this, or is OP not a good source when it doesn’t align with your ignorance?

    I’m calling you out, since this has already been figured out, and you’re just late to the party and saying “the cafe did this”.

    No they didn’t, stop perpetuating that lie that is easily disproved by the sign OP posted for us….

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