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Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Obama was the President that ordered the highest number of drone murders

Drone murders was a right wing lie. Obama killed fewer than any modern President except Carter.

Drones were not yet available in mass production during Bush Jr so Bush killed hundreds of thousands with regular bombs. Obama killed only hundreds of civilians. So to twist Obama's record into something bad, right wing media talked endlessly about drones, while completely ignoring the drastically lower number of deaths. It would be like calling Bush Sr the Stealth bomber killer because Bush Sr was the first to really use Stealth fighters in the first Gulf War.

Trump killed more in his first year with drones than Obama did in 8 years.

https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/

But as Joseph Goebels proved, if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe the lie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Your link is for something else altogether than the campaign of murder by predator drone that Obama conducted in Pakistan, which if remember it correctly included blowing up a whole wedding to get to 1 man.

Frankly I don't care if he was the worst, the 2nd worst or the 3rd worst: the problem is that he still signed the orders for quite a lot of outright murders (no due process involved) and since I'm not a member of his political tribe and thus don't have a special moral discount for the chiefs of the tribe, his campaign of murder by drone puts him in the "Evil" category right alongside the rest.

Then there is the whole part of how he chose to save the Finance Industry after the Crash (which, me being in the Industry in London at the time, observed with quite a lot of attention).

But hey, cheers for quoting Goebels to defend a guy who ordered a campaign of murders in Pakistan: it's always pretty special when an American Neoliberal quotes Nazis to the rest of us to defend their own tribe's murdering leaders.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Your link is for something else altogether than the campaign of murder by predator drone that Obama conducted in Pakistan

My link is total murders by President.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Frankly I don't care if he was the worst, the 2nd worst or the 3rd worse

Making 10 deaths equal to 10,000 deaths is the same bullshit logic that Israel uses to justify their murders.

By repeating the Obama drone striker propaganda, you are acting as a mouthpiece for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes#Approvals_of_drone_strikes

However, in the pre-strike review, Obama "embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties" that effectively counted "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."

This, by the way, means that in that link of yours, counts for combatant deaths is almost certainly counting "combatants" in Obama's very special way, and ditto for all other reports of combatant deaths from the Obama era.

So you're either an useful idiot for believing the numbers, massaged by adjusting the meaning of the words, of the political propaganda from the Obama era (and changing the meaning of words to massage the numbers is a doublespeak technique in the same way as Trump redefining of words, just less brazen and more indirect) or you're so tribalist you're basically a sociopathy and are knowingly defending with falsehoods a guy who ordered the deaths of thousands of people.

The former is excusable, the latter is not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

You are using the talking point that the method of killing is more important than the actual killing.

How many total people did Bush Jr kill?

But even the subset of drone attacks doesn't stand up to scrutiny because as I already showed, Trump did far more drone attacks than Obama. Yet it's never Trump the drone killer.