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[–] [email protected] 38 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

norway isnt socialist. they just excel at exporting capitalism's issues to the third world.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago

of course not, you can bet that "wealth fund" is invested in institutions that leech of the global south.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

In a democratic state, things like universal healthcare are also called "socialized medicine" because it is an example of the people owning the means of production in that particular industry.

That's why most countries are what we call "mixed economies", that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

Norway mixes in a higher ratio of socialism to capitalism than most countries. But they don't export any more of capitalism's issues to the third world than other countries. It's something to emulate, not discredit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No. "Socialized medicine" is not "people owning the means of production"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

It is in a democratic state. Who else do you think owns it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

How is democracy related to ownership?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure no one with universal healthcare calls it "socialized medicine". That's just a buzzword Americans use to scare each other.

It's not a means of producing anything other than health. Health is seen as a human right and it makes sense even in most western capitalist countries for it to be extended to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm Canadian. It's what the founder of our healthcare system, Tommy Douglas, called it.

And yeah, it's the people owning the means of producing health. Socialist healthcare.

Americans scare people with these references to brutal authoritarian dictatorships that call themselves "socialist" but the real cause of all these problems is that they weren't democratic, not that they socialized industries.

Anyways, maybe it's just my autism making me literal as fuck, but I think you guys need to clear that up. This is what the people owning the means of production looks like. It's always going to be adjacent to capitalism, whether it's a socialist industry in a capitalist country, or a socialist country in a capitalist world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Interesting, thanks for the Canadian history lesson Perhaps that's where the Americans got their weird terminology from.

you guys need to clear that up

Who needs to do what? I'm not sure what I said that somehow gave you the impression I was an American.

My society pays for universal free healthcare, like everywhere in the civilized world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

and in a demoratic world norway wouldnt be doing tax-free extrativism in my country (and others'), so that you can pay for your socialized medicine in a capitalist economy, where the money to finance it has to come from the poor. in this case we are your poor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Socialized medicine is always cheaper than capitalist medicine. It's inherently more cost effective for people to pool their money together. It isn't paid for by some rich miner buying mining rights in some other country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

That’s why most countries are what we call “mixed economies”, that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

No. They are capitalist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

By that logic, socialism cannot exist until the entire planet is socialist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

I'm not sure how that link is supposed to refute anything? It says basically what the comment above says without using the phrase "mixed economies".

If you meant the power structure and public/private balance is heavily capitalist for Nordic countries then you'd probably want to post something else supporting that statement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

"We should emulate the imperialist welfare state not discredit it!" 我不喜欢你鬼。 《 。…… 。》

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I upvoted for the first sentence, don't know enough about Norway to have a critical opinion on the second one. It does sound like imperialism though. When they don't any more resources to exploit nationaly, capitalists must go elsewhere

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

for the second part: i'm not well versed in norway's specifics but northern europe in general uses brazil as a resource colony, i know norway engages in oil extrativism here, in some delicate areas of the amazon rainforest that really shouldnt be disturbed right now.

i'm willing to bet good money they do it to many many other regions too.