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[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).

Presumably, you're the kind of person who thinks we've all been the bad guys the whole time, though. And TBF shit things were done, it's just that everyone else has been even more shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).

Are you sure about that? Pretty much all Western countries see America as a convenient bully.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

As a Westerner not from America (like most of the users in this community), yes, I am sure about that. I didn't say it was a relationship without conflict, but they helped defeat the Nazis, lead the charge in the Cold War and then were the fulcrum of the new trade-focused world order in the so-called "end of history" period that followed. We all watched American movies the whole time and it's not because anyone was forcing us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

They only joined WW2 when the Nazis where pretty much defeated by the rest of the allies and success was guaranteed. Only to invent themselves as the sole winner of the war. During the Cold war they fought hot proxy wars all over the place without any interest in casualties as long as they didn't look weak for the soviets. Even after the Cold war western countries were only lucky that the US didn't invade them for oil or other interests. They brought "freedom" to so many countries by now it became a fucking meme. Sure I'm seeing things a bit narrow and I might be biased but the US is and was a shithole that fucked up everyone around them as long as I can think of. The only reason they could do it is because they would crush you if you tried stopping them or it was useful to you because you weren't the current victim. As you put it so nicely, the convenient bully.