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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Writing as a fan of the americano, I think we should just call it what it is. After all, what's more american than taking something good and watering it down?

Alternatively we could call it the italiano since that's where it originated. Or "café à l'eau" perhaps, what's more Canadian than randomly adding french. Calling it "canadiano" feels too "freedom fries" to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

"Canadese" is "Canadian" in italian, so that would also change compared to Americano (American in Italian)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_americano#Origin

That said, why not Canadiano. Sometimes you want more and a litttle hydration in there. It's hard to sip an espresso for more than a couple of minutes.

Agree it feels kind of "freedom fries"-ey but remember that freedom fries were a US republiQan idiocy in a pathetic attempt to mock the French for being too smart to get balls-deep in the Iraq II war. No one but complete koolaid-drinking Qanuts say 'freedom fries' now because (a) the French were correct anyway and (b) fries are Belgian.

In that sense, this is probably better and has a chance of sticking.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not the same situation as freedom fries at all, but it has the same sort of cringe feel to me. Just like french fries, the americano isn't really american. We're not 'sticking it' to anyone here, so it rubs me the wrong way a little. I hardly have a strong opinion on it though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

I feel that. Thanks for sharing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_americano#Origin

Wait, so does it refer to American as in USA or belonging to the western hemisphere? I'm asking this as someone who doesn't live in the Americas and don't drink coffee at all and didn't know the term before reading this post.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It refers to the US (American) servicemen stationed in Italy during WWII.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

According to the link in my parent comment, I quoted in my first comment, it doesn't but what do I know

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is a popular belief that the name has its origins in World War II when American G.I.s in Italy diluted espresso with hot water to approximate the coffee to which they were accustomed.[9] However, the Oxford English Dictionary cites the term as a borrowing from Central American Spanish café americano, a derisive term for mild coffee dating to the middle of the 1950s.

Yeah but 1950s > WWII so

Bonus points: what was the lemon peel for?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but 1950s > WWII so

Just looked up Google Ngrams to see if I'm right and I am. "Caffè americano" took off in Italian much later than "Café americano" in Spanish. That people think it was used in Italy in WWII doesn't mean that is was.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suppose if Google is the authority and "taking off" means . . what, 1980? Then yeah.

I don't agree, but that's okay too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, Google Ngrams is written language so slower than the spoken one. The point is more that Spanish < Italian.

But if your mom or who ever telling you this is a greater authority than a company analyzing data with no agenda in this case, than that's ok too. But maybe I'm misreading the graphs. The Italian one has kind of a peak in 1921 but a bigger one in 1814. It only goes above those random peaks around 2000 in Italian and Spanish looks less random to me before that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Damn you do love the googlez don't ya.

Hey - follow your bliss, as they say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago