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Tim Walz says he may run for president in 2028 despite failure of Harris campaign
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 03 Mar 2025
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you're right, we didin't want hillary, the cabal wanted her, we wanted bernie, the cabal wanted harris, we wanted dean, the cabal said his whoop was too much...don't be this naive dan
We also didn't want Hilary and got Obama. The cabal isn't all powerful.
They weren't all powerful. I'd highly recommend reading up on how the Clintons captured the DNC after Obama. They very clearly did not want him, and made sure that something like him couldn't happen again.
If the DNC was that powerful Bernie wouldn't have won any states. And it's not like we're seeing polling (even progressively aligned polling) with 65% for Bernie and then somehow getting Biden. He was in the 30-40% range the whole time and then got 30-40% of the vote.
The DNC will tilt the scales in favor of the centrist establishment, but they don't dictate the result and saying they do is just a recipe for progressives to give up and check out rather than stay in the fight.
Exactly. If you go back to my original comment, all I said is that AOC needs to run if she wants to run. There's no one picking the people who are on the ballot. If that were the case, the DNC would have blocked Bernie and Williamson. But they didn't.
People run for office, at all levels. No one is deciding to "run candidates" like we're choosing race horses to field for the day.
Something keeps telling me that this is the goal of all the DNC Boogeyman talk.
17 years is a long time.
Which makes it less of a cabal and more of a group of people who have different opinions than some of us.
What’s the difference, besides the obvious skin color?
You think the only difference between Clinton and Obama is their “obvious” skin color? Wow.
Policy-wise, I don’t think there’s much difference there. We didn’t get to see with Hillary in office though, but I suspect things would have been run much the same way, by almost all the same people, had she won.
One difference, germane to the topic and not related to anyone’s skin color, is that the people actually wanted Obama.
I’m not so sure about that. I think they wanted the promised “hope and change,” and thought maybe this time the candidate would deliver. Spoiler alert - there were other priorities.
You’re not sure that the people chose Obama over Clinton in 2008? I’m sorry you’re not sure about that, when did you arrive here (Earth, I mean)?
Not what I’m saying. I think people voted for Obama’s platform and marketing. At the time he was a relatively unknown political figure, which amplified the possibility of change. Which, again, was not delivered upon.
Oh, I see. And Clinton did all those things too? Or are there actually even more differences between them than just their “obvious skin color”? Please tell me because I do not know what you obviously mean.
I was joking earlier about Dems’ utter and tired dependence on identity politics, but you seem to have chosen to take things the wrong way at every turn. As I said, policy wise, I don’t believe those two differed much at all. In other words, they both would do exactly what the donors tell them. Biden also did this, and the American people hate it so much that they voted Trump2 instead.
Many establishment dems absolutely refuse to learn this lesson, just like you appear to be. I suggest you and others in the party reflect on those devastating Dem losses some more beyond the easy identity-politic excuse of “misogyny”, or we’re going to be in for a very rough next election cycle.
Now It’m sure we’re in different timelines. You brought up their skin color. That being a pretty chickenshit distinction between them, I challenged you. Now you’re shouting identity politics. It’s like pulling the string on a broken Krusty doll.
I wanted Bernie, but the primary shows that, no, the US populace didn't want him.
The primary was decided long before most voters get a chance to vote. Our bullshit staggered primaries disenfranchise most of the country.
While I understand your frustration, you could always try to get your state to primary as soon as Iowa. By canvassing and working within the local election system.
Oh, and fight for ranked choice voting, too.
There was a primary. Bernie didn't win the primary. The numbers were not there in any supportable way. Bernie had a nice lead in the beginning with early states like, I dunno, Vermont, but he didn't pull in the votes.
Stop spreading disinformation.