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This is part of thing with anything. Whos definition of feminism whos definition of communism. Jane Adams feminism. Hell yeah. But then some celebrity in the 80's was arguing against physical fitness tests for firefighters saying well they could use like power axes or something (which you know. did not exist). Which is sorta funny to me because its sorta dissing on womens ability to pass the tests. Its like there are women who can pass the tests. Its not beyond them. Felt antifeminist to me.
EDITED - I think it was Gloria Steinem
Protip: when arguing online, a very good strategy for wasting other peoples' time and generally being an insufferable prick is to always pick a slightly unconventional definition of the topic that you're arguing about. It works even better if you shift your definition subtly throughout the course of the argument. That way, each individual statement you make is technically not false, while your overall "argument" is an inconsistent ill-defined undisprovable mess that's impossible to argue against.
The tankie handbook.
Are the tankies in the room with use right now?
Yeah you can recognize them by intense bouts of denial with phrases like "Are the tankies in the room with use right now?"
Who? I feel like a huge issue here is saying anyone who is a woman and says a thing = feminism. I know dozens of firefighters who are women, they pass the tests all the time. (My brother is a volunteer firefighter in BC, Canada.)
They are probably referring to Brenda Berkman who successfully sued the NY dept because they could not prove that the requirements of the test matched the actual conditions firefighters face: that as soon as women started applying they added a new condition that they had to meet speed requirements of carrying an unresponsive body up a burning building: something that you simply wouldn't do.
The moment they reverted the test to what men had previously had to accomplish, 41 women passed with flying colors.
Been trying to figure it out and I think it was Gloria Steinem
sorry. she was actually a big feminist at the time and she mentioned as part of a feminist talk interview but for the life of me her name escapes me. Honestly any use of the term patriarchy pretty much makes me tune out given the system has plenty of women enabling it. When it comes down to it things are more rich/poor to me than anything else.
EDITED - I think it was Gloria Steinem
It's why I don't like applying labels to myself. Just seems like a reason for people to try to start shit or discount your opinions as soon as they can find a reason to "other" you. There are shitty people claiming allegiance to all factions.