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[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) We Americans would do well to remember how the Germans will never be able to clean off that stain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) We Americans would do well to remember that we already had concentration camps in the US at least twice already. Not to mention The Trail of Tears, and The Long Walk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Germans need a better PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis ran industrialized death camps. Concentration camps are horrific, but their purpose is mass imprisonment, not mass murder. There's a reason that the Nazis are remembered with especial horror, and it's not inferior PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn't industrialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it would be intellectually dishonest of you to imply they were equivalent in terms of horror or infamy. Which it very much seems like you're doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The only reason they aren't as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren't pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago I still reject your assertion that the holocaust wasn't worse than the Trail of Tears. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The term originated with the Spanish in Cuba. The only reason they aren’t as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren’t pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. what There absolutely are? American use of concentration camps doesn't come into play until the Philippines and then Japanese-American internment in WW2, and both are well-documented. And prior atrocities against the Native Americans also have plentiful pictorial evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Don't worry, we're working on making sure Germany's past is tame by comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) We Americans would do well to remember that we already had concentration camps in the US at least twice already. Not to mention The Trail of Tears, and The Long Walk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Germans need a better PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis ran industrialized death camps. Concentration camps are horrific, but their purpose is mass imprisonment, not mass murder. There's a reason that the Nazis are remembered with especial horror, and it's not inferior PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn't industrialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it would be intellectually dishonest of you to imply they were equivalent in terms of horror or infamy. Which it very much seems like you're doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The only reason they aren't as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren't pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago I still reject your assertion that the holocaust wasn't worse than the Trail of Tears. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The term originated with the Spanish in Cuba. The only reason they aren’t as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren’t pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. what There absolutely are? American use of concentration camps doesn't come into play until the Philippines and then Japanese-American internment in WW2, and both are well-documented. And prior atrocities against the Native Americans also have plentiful pictorial evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Germans need a better PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis ran industrialized death camps. Concentration camps are horrific, but their purpose is mass imprisonment, not mass murder. There's a reason that the Nazis are remembered with especial horror, and it's not inferior PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn't industrialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis ran industrialized death camps. Concentration camps are horrific, but their purpose is mass imprisonment, not mass murder. There's a reason that the Nazis are remembered with especial horror, and it's not inferior PR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn't industrialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn't industrialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago So the trail of tears was less of a tragedy because it wasn’t industrialized? Industrialized death camps are an exceptionally bad form of ethnic cleansing, which, itself, is always bad, yes. I don't know why that's suddenly controversial. Like saying that being crucified is a worse way to be executed than hanged. It should be evident that both are bad, and yet one is worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it would be intellectually dishonest of you to imply they were equivalent in terms of horror or infamy. Which it very much seems like you're doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The only reason they aren't as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren't pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago I still reject your assertion that the holocaust wasn't worse than the Trail of Tears. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The term originated with the Spanish in Cuba. The only reason they aren’t as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren’t pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. what There absolutely are? American use of concentration camps doesn't come into play until the Philippines and then Japanese-American internment in WW2, and both are well-documented. And prior atrocities against the Native Americans also have plentiful pictorial evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The only reason they aren't as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren't pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago I still reject your assertion that the holocaust wasn't worse than the Trail of Tears. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The term originated with the Spanish in Cuba. The only reason they aren’t as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren’t pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. what There absolutely are? American use of concentration camps doesn't come into play until the Philippines and then Japanese-American internment in WW2, and both are well-documented. And prior atrocities against the Native Americans also have plentiful pictorial evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago I still reject your assertion that the holocaust wasn't worse than the Trail of Tears. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) The term originated here. We called the ones in Germany Death Camps. The term originated with the Spanish in Cuba. The only reason they aren’t as infamous is that we did it earlier, so there aren’t pictures and movies documenting the atrocities we committed against the natives, Mexicans, Canadians, and whomever else gets in our way. what There absolutely are? American use of concentration camps doesn't come into play until the Philippines and then Japanese-American internment in WW2, and both are well-documented. And prior atrocities against the Native Americans also have plentiful pictorial evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don't believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don't go out of our way to teach that shit. Thanks for the clarification about the Spanish doing it earlier than we did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are plenty of photographs of stuff we did against the natives, sure. I don’t believe for two seconds that the average high school educated American has ever seen them. We don’t go out of our way to teach that shit. I suspect it very much depends on your era and region of schooling. I was not exactly attending a top school or in top classes, and the most infamous atrocities of the Indian Wars were covered in US History in high school. But I was in a blue state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That is certainly probable. I wouldn't expect the highschools in IN to have a particularly progressive curriculum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Don't worry, we're working on making sure Germany's past is tame by comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
