pjwestin comments on Another day, another news article on how Trump turned out to be SO MUCH WORSE

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children)

I think it's not fucking magic, Pug. There was far more negative campaigning coming from the hundreds of millions spent by the Trump campaign. There was even more money spent by Harris to negatively campaign against Trump, for all the good it did. But leftists complaining online threw the election? Everyone needs to shut up and smile, because if they criticize the Democrats too loudly they'll collapse? Is that where we're at?

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (8 children)

I think it’s not fucking magic, Pug. There was far more negative campaigning coming from the hundreds of millions spent by the Trump campaign.

So?

There are millions of votes other than mine; it doesn't mean that I'm not responsible for my vote, or my other actions.

But leftists complaining online threw the election?

No. But leftists playing negative PR games online contributed to the loss. I've said elsewhere, I don't think they were the tipping point.

But neither was Iowa, yet everyone who voted for Trump or abstained in Iowa is a fucking contributor to the fascist regime.

Not being the deciding factor does not absolve you of the implications of your choices.

Everyone needs to shut up and smile, because if they criticize the Democrats too loudly they’ll collapse? Is that where we’re at?

We were going into an election everyone knew was going to be close, against a literal fascist.

Maybe a little of the 'United Front' spirit would've been welcome, instead of playing the usual games of "Undermine the SHITLIBS" when there was a candidate promising fascism, with the necessary background to confirm his intentions as sincere, as the only other choice in the running. It's not even a question of "I oppose all aid to Israel", but "Harris is a genocide supporter!" The issue was not voicing policy concerns; it was attacking the less vile of the only two candidates who could win.

Tell me, if the election had been lost by a few dozen votes, instead of a touch under two million, would your response be different? Or would it still be "Beating the negative PR drum is Just My Opinion"?

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fucking incredible how far you'll go to blame everyone but the people responsible for the loss. Oh, did Harris' shitty campaign cause widespread voter apathy? Don't blame the campaign for that, blame the people who talked about it too openly. Oh, you wanted a, "United Front," against Trump? Do you blame Harris for failing to unite the party behind her? You know, the fucking job of a leader? Nope, it's the lefts fault for not falling in line.

Like, I don't even know what to do with this anymore. You're watching the Democratic coalition collapsed under the party’s mismanagement, and you're blaming the coalition instead of party. Get a grip, Pug, FFS.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fucking incredible how far you’ll go to blame everyone but the people responsible for the loss. Oh, did Harris’ shitty campaign cause widespread voter apathy? Don’t blame the campaign for that,

I've said numerous times that Harris ran a shit campaign, and that she's to blame.

blame the people who talked about it too openly.

Oh, is that what you think I'm criticizing? People saying "Harris is running a poor campaign"?

Oh, you wanted a, “United Front,” against Trump? Do you blame Harris for failing to unite the party behind her? You know, the fucking job of a leader? Nope, it’s the lefts fault for not falling in line.

Literally and explicitly said, to you, in this conversation, that the left wasn't the lynchpin of any of this. But who needs facts when you have windmills to tilt against?

Like, I don’t even know what to do with this anymore. You’re watching the Democratic coalition collapsed under the party’s mismanagement, and you’re blaming the coalition instead of party. Get a grip, Pug, FFS.

You're watching 90 million people say they don't care if fascism wins, so long as those horrible LIBERAL ELITES lose; and then saying that's not the voters punishing the powerless for the sins of the powerful.

Is this more hypocrisy, or more cognitive dissonance?

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Literally and explicitly said, to you, in this conversation, that the left wasn't the lynchpin of any of this. But who needs facts when you have windmills to tilt against?

Last point I'm gonna make here, then I need to move on with my life. I'm not saying that if the left united behind Harris it would have turned the tide, I'm just responding to your demand for obedience from the left instead of leadership from the party. For the record, no, I highly doubt that, if all the people who cast protest votes instead voted for Harris, it would have changed the outcome.

For Harris to have won, she would have needed to win all the votes she lost to apathy. Most people who don't like a candidate don't stay home in protest or vote third party, they just convince themselves that one vote doesn't matter and decide to do laundry or cook dinner instead of standing in a poll line.

So I'm not gonna blame voters for being unmotivated, I'm gonna blame Harris for not motivating them. I'm not going to blame protest voters for withholding their vote, I'm gonna blame Harris for not addressing their protest. I'm not gonna blame critics of Harris for being too vocal, I'm going to blame Harris for giving us so much to criticize. Because only an idiot would think it's more productive to scold the 275 million Americans who didn't vote for Harris instead of demanding change from the handful of Democrats who run the party. Now that's tilting against windmills, Pug.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

So I’m not gonna blame voters for being unmotivated, I’m gonna blame Harris for not motivating them.

Sorry that you think that being apathetically welcoming towards literal fascism is excusable.

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[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Cant believe after all the messaging around this election that "Shut up, give me your vote, and get zero concessions" is still not attractive to people for some reason. I swear I heard it everywhere, from every blue maga shill and self aggrandizing liberal in the internet... but despite it saturating the narrative she still tanked. Strange how that works.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cant believe after all the messaging around this election that “Shut up, give me your vote, and get zero concessions” is still not attractive to people for some reason.

I'm sorry that you didn't get enough 'concessions' to justify trying for less genocide instead of more genocide. We who are on the list for the death camps thank you for your moral fucking purity.

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[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Man there's something there you should try to split test the genocide lite angle for their 2028 campaign. Anything to avoid moving left right?

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Once Israel is done murdering all of Palestine with Trump's full support and the Palestinian genocide is no longer an issue that can be addressed, I'm sure you'll find some other excuse to avoid ever having to 'debase' yourself by voting against minorities in the US being rounded up and sent to camps. Nothing is ever pure enough, except letting disadvantaged groups be murdered by conservatives, apparently.

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