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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.

Detoxing masculinity since 1990!

You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.

Guidelines:

  1. Questions over blame
  2. Humility over pride
  3. Wisdom over dogma
  4. Actions over image

Rules (expansions on the guidelines):

  1. Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
    • Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
    • If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
    • If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
    • This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
    • A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
    • Examples:
      • "This is reactionary. Here's why."
      • "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
      • "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
  2. You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
    • Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
    • If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
    • If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
    • If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
  3. No singular masculine ideal.
    • This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
    • Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
    • Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
    • This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
  4. No lifestyle content.
    • Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
    • Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
    • At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
    • If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.

Resources:

*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I had distilled it down to "you want it so you go after it" but feminism is about giving women the ability to do that in society. And then I don't like any small gamates kind of explanation either (which means unfortunately the madTV "he looka lika man" bit doesn't make for a good punchline). I don't like any particular set of interests as gendered.

My best bet? I was thinking about that video game where people got all mad about the black samurai. It was based in a true story, right? Some dude saw this historically judged individual and decided to make him a friend. I developed (see: rederived probably) this idea that dudes rock the most when they open their hearts and minds to people they were conditioned to judge. Dudes rocked when they domesticated wolves. Everyone must have thought they were crazy, but they probably Danced with the Frickin Wolves. Dudes rocked in the Green Book. Dudes are rocking on Red Note. The essence of masculinity is therefore "I think you're all wrong*: I've seen this and I think it is/they are awesome"

*Perhaps optional