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Feelings? Nah (slrpnk.net)
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[–] 170 points 2 years ago (45 children)

feminism is for everyone. patriarchy is both against and enforced by everyone

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I have a very different friend group. Yeah people still like to project success and their kids whatever at the moment. But even that's only my local friends. Many of us love to talk shit about the state of the country/world and try to take care of each other through mental and emotional issues.

    It's funny, I generally prefer to talk to a woman professionally, but I'd rather talk to a man friend about specific emotional problems. Of course I'm lucky to have a wife I would talk about most of these things with, but not everyone has a good partner.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Genuine question, how would you wish a good friend/partner would react?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Not the person you replied to, but just listening and allowing the person to express themselves and feel heard goes a long way. Getting it all out to someone and not being bottled up inside your own head can be a huge relief, even if the problem itself remains the same.

    The instinctual reaction is to want to offer fixes. However, whatever the hearer thought of in five seconds, the sufferer probably also already thought of, and spent days/months/years attempting to make it work and it just didn't, and now the listening session gets diverted into kind of an argument where the suffered has to justify they have already put in sufficient effort to the fix the listener is pushing that it's not worth continuing on that road.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    OK, be concerned. Now, please tell me how to be better. I am the first to admit that I suck at inter-personal things.

    Let's say you are hanging out with a good friend, it is late in the evening, and they tell you about some fucked up shit happening to them.

    "That sucks, man hang in there," doesn't quite cut it, as someone else pointed out, no solution you can up with in five minutes is going to help them, and just awkward silence is awkward to both of you.

    What do you do?

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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    When i was a kid it was the opposite... but in my adult years it's been overwhelmingly women that tried to enforce masculinity on me any time I stepped out of the bounds of masculinity and did something feminine (wear feminine clothes, cry, make a comment getting hit on by men to name a few). I was a closeted trans woman in denial which made it extra annoying whenever it happened. Now that I'm out the women in my life have been extremely supportive so there is that. However whenever I go out in full femme with outfit and make-up I noticed it's women who stare at me, had one lady look me up and down three times pretty deliberately while standing 4ft away from me. I don't always see it as malicious (not that i would care), more like they're curious or maybe even liking fit. But it's an interesting contrast compared to men who seem to give me almost no mind or attention by comparison. It was something I didn't expect.

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  • [–] 88 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    My wife makes way more than me, with the potential to be sole provider in less than 5 years. I told her id love to stay home and take care of the house/kids. She got offended, and said itd probably end our marriage because that wouldnt be masculine.

    Shes always been a big proponent for gender equality... i guess she always only ever thought of one gender

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago*

    Funny how that works, right? Both my mom and my ex, super feminists, all down with the gays and progressive but were some of the worst people when it came to enforcing my masculinity. My mom is coming around now after putting my foot down pretty sternly more than a few times. But when I was closeted that shit was really fucking hurtful and kept me from expressing myself.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, and many women are strict enforcers of the patriarchy, too. Boys are raised to deny their feelings by both parents, because both parents were raised that way, too. There’s a focus on hyper masculinity that hurts both men and women, and is perpetuated by both men and women. Society has been leaning away from that, but it’s caused a backlash that’s kinda hurting us right now. And some social media is amplifying it.

    We’ll get past it, but it’s going to hurt for a while.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Eh, this is all stuff that was written up in the 70s and 80s, it's gonna take a while before anyone even attempts to do anything about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yes, it was written up back then. Which is a large reason why many more GenZers were raised without those toxic values, because their GenX parents actually read that shit.

    So this upcoming generation are being called woke pussies for being raised with empathy and against the historical gender norms, and that’s causing the normal pendulum of conservative panic to swing society in the other direction right now.

    If you’ve watched history happen and really read about it critically, this is all very predictable.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I think the ideology you think of when you say it's for everyone, is egalitarianism. Feminism can't be for everyone in the same way that patriarchy can't mean "womens oppression of men".

    Unless of course, you're looking to confuse with the terminology.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The word literally derives from feminine

    feminine adjective (WOMEN) Showing qualities that people generally think are typical of women

    There is an opposite term to feminism, masculinism, which then leads to the idea that it can't be completely equal. But i assume people will keep using the term to mean "equal rights for all", since thats usually how it goes with languages.

    I just worry that the implication is changing so that women = equality and men = inequality. That train of thought is mainly what drives younger men to go off the wall with their chauvinistic tendencies.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Feminism is explicitly about the social equality of sexes.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Actions speak louder than words, and despite all the No True Scotsman-ing, many, many words and acts of sexism against males have occurred under the banner of feminism.

    I've read public press releases from mainstream feminist organizations like NOW proclaiming that the only reasons a father would ever seek custody of his child in a divorce is because he's either a wifebeater who wants to retain access to the woman he's abusing, or he's a deadbeat who's just trying to get out of paying child support.

    There is a reason that the vast majority of people believe in equal treatment for both sexes, but only a small minority self-identify as "feminist".

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Many feminists would not agree with you.

    I prefer talking about equality when talking about equality.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So how about maybe not judging the whole of a thing on those that claim to align with it- yet show no similarities to it.

    Maybe if the people who are pro-equality shouldn't grasp onto their gendered term so hard. Kinda weird that out of one side of their mouths so many people will say it's about equality for all but insist we must use the feminine term over the genderless one we already have

    Don't want to be judged on gender lines? Don't use gendered terms to describe yourself, simple

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    I won't get into the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I'll disagree with your first point.

    Feminism is a word. An English word. And that means it's definition is driven by common usage not a book. If the common usage shifts to a toxic place, the meaning shifts with it.

    If you disagree I'd love to hear your gymnastics around the word invcel, it's evolution into incel, and then that further extension to femcel (even though the person who coined invcel was a woman).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing.

    However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Many feminists would not agree with you.

    Really? Who? Give me some names and citations.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Read the rest of the comments, there's a few good examples.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why are you even here then?

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