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[–] 270 points 2 years ago (59 children)

"Why are men in general so emotionally constipated? omg stop crying like a pussy; we just asked a question!" - the patriarchy, oppressing us all

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  • [–] 170 points 2 years ago (45 children)

    feminism is for everyone. patriarchy is both against and enforced by everyone

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I have a very different friend group. Yeah people still like to project success and their kids whatever at the moment. But even that's only my local friends. Many of us love to talk shit about the state of the country/world and try to take care of each other through mental and emotional issues.

    It's funny, I generally prefer to talk to a woman professionally, but I'd rather talk to a man friend about specific emotional problems. Of course I'm lucky to have a wife I would talk about most of these things with, but not everyone has a good partner.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Genuine question, how would you wish a good friend/partner would react?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Not the person you replied to, but just listening and allowing the person to express themselves and feel heard goes a long way. Getting it all out to someone and not being bottled up inside your own head can be a huge relief, even if the problem itself remains the same.

    The instinctual reaction is to want to offer fixes. However, whatever the hearer thought of in five seconds, the sufferer probably also already thought of, and spent days/months/years attempting to make it work and it just didn't, and now the listening session gets diverted into kind of an argument where the suffered has to justify they have already put in sufficient effort to the fix the listener is pushing that it's not worth continuing on that road.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    OK, be concerned. Now, please tell me how to be better. I am the first to admit that I suck at inter-personal things.

    Let's say you are hanging out with a good friend, it is late in the evening, and they tell you about some fucked up shit happening to them.

    "That sucks, man hang in there," doesn't quite cut it, as someone else pointed out, no solution you can up with in five minutes is going to help them, and just awkward silence is awkward to both of you.

    What do you do?

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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    When i was a kid it was the opposite... but in my adult years it's been overwhelmingly women that tried to enforce masculinity on me any time I stepped out of the bounds of masculinity and did something feminine (wear feminine clothes, cry, make a comment getting hit on by men to name a few). I was a closeted trans woman in denial which made it extra annoying whenever it happened. Now that I'm out the women in my life have been extremely supportive so there is that. However whenever I go out in full femme with outfit and make-up I noticed it's women who stare at me, had one lady look me up and down three times pretty deliberately while standing 4ft away from me. I don't always see it as malicious (not that i would care), more like they're curious or maybe even liking fit. But it's an interesting contrast compared to men who seem to give me almost no mind or attention by comparison. It was something I didn't expect.

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  • [–] 88 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    My wife makes way more than me, with the potential to be sole provider in less than 5 years. I told her id love to stay home and take care of the house/kids. She got offended, and said itd probably end our marriage because that wouldnt be masculine.

    Shes always been a big proponent for gender equality... i guess she always only ever thought of one gender

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago*

    Funny how that works, right? Both my mom and my ex, super feminists, all down with the gays and progressive but were some of the worst people when it came to enforcing my masculinity. My mom is coming around now after putting my foot down pretty sternly more than a few times. But when I was closeted that shit was really fucking hurtful and kept me from expressing myself.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, and many women are strict enforcers of the patriarchy, too. Boys are raised to deny their feelings by both parents, because both parents were raised that way, too. There’s a focus on hyper masculinity that hurts both men and women, and is perpetuated by both men and women. Society has been leaning away from that, but it’s caused a backlash that’s kinda hurting us right now. And some social media is amplifying it.

    We’ll get past it, but it’s going to hurt for a while.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's ironically self-unaware victim-blaming to use the male-based word "patriarchy" to describe a set of societal norms and expectations that both sexes are equally responsible for creating and perpetuating. Puts the blame entirely on men and takes women completely off the hook.

    Pure sexism.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I say the same about calling the movement feminism

    If men are equally welcome in it, it's not feminism anymore, it's egalitarianism, but every woman I've ever seen it suggested to flips their shit while every man I've seen it suggested to goes "yeah that makes sense"

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    This has nothing to do with men being in position of power, this has everything to do with people having no empathy. If we lived in a matriarchy and people acted the same way they would still be assholes.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Stop using "the patriarchy" as an excuse for vile behaviour. Yes, it exists, but it's made up of a large group of people behaving badly, and one way to break it is to address the individuals one at a time.

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