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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (17 children) Feminism is explicitly about the social equality of sexes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Actions speak louder than words, and despite all the No True Scotsman-ing, many, many words and acts of sexism against males have occurred under the banner of feminism. I've read public press releases from mainstream feminist organizations like NOW proclaiming that the only reasons a father would ever seek custody of his child in a divorce is because he's either a wifebeater who wants to retain access to the woman he's abusing, or he's a deadbeat who's just trying to get out of paying child support. There is a reason that the vast majority of people believe in equal treatment for both sexes, but only a small minority self-identify as "feminist". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago In theory, yes. In practice, not always. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago (13 children) Many feminists would not agree with you. I prefer talking about equality when talking about equality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So how about maybe not judging the whole of a thing on those that claim to align with it- yet show no similarities to it. Maybe if the people who are pro-equality shouldn't grasp onto their gendered term so hard. Kinda weird that out of one side of their mouths so many people will say it's about equality for all but insist we must use the feminine term over the genderless one we already have Don't want to be judged on gender lines? Don't use gendered terms to describe yourself, simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I won't get into the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I'll disagree with your first point. Feminism is a word. An English word. And that means it's definition is driven by common usage not a book. If the common usage shifts to a toxic place, the meaning shifts with it. If you disagree I'd love to hear your gymnastics around the word invcel, it's evolution into incel, and then that further extension to femcel (even though the person who coined invcel was a woman). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Many feminists would not agree with you. Really? Who? Give me some names and citations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Read the rest of the comments, there's a few good examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Impassionata@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Sometimes it even meets that aspiration! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Actions speak louder than words, and despite all the No True Scotsman-ing, many, many words and acts of sexism against males have occurred under the banner of feminism. I've read public press releases from mainstream feminist organizations like NOW proclaiming that the only reasons a father would ever seek custody of his child in a divorce is because he's either a wifebeater who wants to retain access to the woman he's abusing, or he's a deadbeat who's just trying to get out of paying child support. There is a reason that the vast majority of people believe in equal treatment for both sexes, but only a small minority self-identify as "feminist". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago In theory, yes. In practice, not always. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago (13 children) Many feminists would not agree with you. I prefer talking about equality when talking about equality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So how about maybe not judging the whole of a thing on those that claim to align with it- yet show no similarities to it. Maybe if the people who are pro-equality shouldn't grasp onto their gendered term so hard. Kinda weird that out of one side of their mouths so many people will say it's about equality for all but insist we must use the feminine term over the genderless one we already have Don't want to be judged on gender lines? Don't use gendered terms to describe yourself, simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I won't get into the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I'll disagree with your first point. Feminism is a word. An English word. And that means it's definition is driven by common usage not a book. If the common usage shifts to a toxic place, the meaning shifts with it. If you disagree I'd love to hear your gymnastics around the word invcel, it's evolution into incel, and then that further extension to femcel (even though the person who coined invcel was a woman). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Many feminists would not agree with you. Really? Who? Give me some names and citations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Read the rest of the comments, there's a few good examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So how about maybe not judging the whole of a thing on those that claim to align with it- yet show no similarities to it. Maybe if the people who are pro-equality shouldn't grasp onto their gendered term so hard. Kinda weird that out of one side of their mouths so many people will say it's about equality for all but insist we must use the feminine term over the genderless one we already have Don't want to be judged on gender lines? Don't use gendered terms to describe yourself, simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I won't get into the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I'll disagree with your first point. Feminism is a word. An English word. And that means it's definition is driven by common usage not a book. If the common usage shifts to a toxic place, the meaning shifts with it. If you disagree I'd love to hear your gymnastics around the word invcel, it's evolution into incel, and then that further extension to femcel (even though the person who coined invcel was a woman). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So how about maybe not judging the whole of a thing on those that claim to align with it- yet show no similarities to it. Maybe if the people who are pro-equality shouldn't grasp onto their gendered term so hard. Kinda weird that out of one side of their mouths so many people will say it's about equality for all but insist we must use the feminine term over the genderless one we already have Don't want to be judged on gender lines? Don't use gendered terms to describe yourself, simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I won't get into the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I'll disagree with your first point. Feminism is a word. An English word. And that means it's definition is driven by common usage not a book. If the common usage shifts to a toxic place, the meaning shifts with it. If you disagree I'd love to hear your gymnastics around the word invcel, it's evolution into incel, and then that further extension to femcel (even though the person who coined invcel was a woman). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There is no such thing as a static definition. You're gonna have a real bad time in life communicating with people if you try to make that be your thing. However since my whole message was about flexibility of definitions and you called my example whataboutism...I'm thinking you already have challenges communicating with people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Many feminists would not agree with you. Really? Who? Give me some names and citations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Read the rest of the comments, there's a few good examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Read the rest of the comments, there's a few good examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, people who aren't notable feminists and who could be trolls or bots? Gee, thanks, those sound like great sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Why are you even here then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm commenting on an interesting post. The same reason why everybody else is here. Why do you ask? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Mingling with the bots and trolls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Impassionata@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Sometimes it even meets that aspiration! permalink fedilink source parent