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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Rigged doesn’t mean predetermined outcome, it means unfair odds. Claw machines are rigged. That doesn’t mean you can’t win a prize, but it does mean the odds that you’ll win are very low.

Would you like to elaborate on the implications of 'rigged' in the context of a primary conducted by the votes of the electorate? Don't play dumb.

That is a weird way to describe the Clinton campaign secretly taking over the party in 2015 and running the primary she was competing in.

Again, none of that changes the core argument I'm making here. "The DNC was on Clinton's side", yes, we already knew that. "Here's evidence that the DNC was on Clinton's side!" Yes, we already knew that. That wasn't being denied. But hey, why take my word for it when your literal source sides with me!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Would you like to elaborate on the implications of 'rigged' in the context of a primary conducted by the votes of the electorate? Don't play dumb.

Actually, no, I think my analogy of a cold, calculating machine that gives the impression of a fair contest while stacking the odds heavily towards a preferred outcome is pretty spot on.

Again, none of that changes the core argument I'm making here. "The DNC was on Clinton's side", yes, we already knew that.

No, the DNC wasn't on Clinton's side. Clinton was the DNC. She was given final say over senior staffing decisions while she was running in the primary. She was acting as the nominee when she was supposed to be a candidate. Her nomination was a forgone conclusion.

But hey, why take my word for it when your literal source sides with me!

Brazile walked back her claims a bit, saying she never specifically used the word, "rigged," but she also described Clinton's control over the party as a, "cancer," so make of it what you will. Personally, I find the evidence she lays out in her book about how Clinton rigged the primary more interesting than the spin she puts on it later in the interest of party unity.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Actually, no, I think my analogy of a cold, calculating machine that gives the impression of a fair contest while stacking the odds heavily towards a preferred outcome is pretty spot on.

Oh, yes, heavily stacked by [checks notes] forcing millions to not vote for Bernie, I see.

No, the DNC wasn’t on Clinton’s side. Clinton was the DNC. She was given final say over senior staffing decisions while she was running in the primary. She was acting as the nominee when she was supposed to be a candidate. Her nomination was a forgone conclusion.

"The DNC was treating the whole situation as though Clinton already won. That means that the elections were rigged."

???

Brazile walked back her claims a bit, saying she never specifically used the word, “rigged,” but she also described Clinton’s control over the party as a, “cancer,” so make of it what you will.

I make of it what any sane person would - that Clinton's control over the party was deeply damaging, shady, unethical, and unwise to allow, at minimum.

That doesn't change the essential problem that we failed in 2016 because not enough voters were on our side, and the DNC playing dipshit games with their own funding and staffing does not fundamentally alter that.

I'm sorry that there's not a small cabal of villains for you to oppose and overthrow to fix everything. I'm sorry that the roots of our problems go much deeper, and that there's no easy solution that, if only we had control of the party apparatus, if only we got to set the party platform and ensure the party went along with it, we could fix and ride into power on a landslide electoral victory. But playing make-believe games about rigged primaries and party elites does nothing but set you shadow boxing - or against scummy wind vanes, at best - instead of addressing the actual problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wtf dude, is she like there with you rn or something? 🤣😂 Or is this just a really awkward propaganda messaging test run? If so, I'm not sure whether it's brilliant or the dumbest goddamn thing I've ever seen

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Pro-Clinton propaganda is when you think Clinton is an incompetent scumbag, but the cause of Bernie losing the primary was a balance of almost 4 million voters not turning out for the superior option because the American electorate is dumb as shit?

That's an interesting take.

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