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And yet there is no way of knowing that, so you're just making an unprovable assertion. I showed data.
That 34% came from your data, feel free to search for the amount of carriers and choose your favorite estimate and use that, it's still lower than 34%. As for the motivations for "not stop with gun" think critically, it's simply more likely that if such a low percentage of people carry daily, there's a higher chance that nobody there has one at any given location/time (aside from expected locations like "gun store" or "police station" where of course the likelihood of the presence of guns jumps to 100%, but for some reason those are rarely targeted). Would you rather stop a shooter with a gun of your own or risk bare handing it?
See above, re: unprovable assertion.
Yes yes ignore any other data, I'm gonna be honest dude I don't actually care if you believe the data or not, you can look it up if you really care but you're clearly more interested in dismissing it so, have a nice day I guess, this little subthread has reached its logical conclusion, goodbye.
I can't look up data that doesn't exist.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=percent+of+americans+carry+guns&ia=web
Since you evidentially are unaware of the existence of search engines I'll provide this helpful link.
Now, if you just wholly reject the concept of estimates (lol but you do you) you can go with the raw "has CCW" number which is tracked, though low (due to constitutional carry/open carry), and would benefit my argument. Again IDGAF, 34% ain't that bad of a percentage for how few people carry whether you believe it or not, and you're clearly dead set on your preconceived notions that misrepresented data is good and estimates are bad (though there is the 8% of americans with verifiable CCW permits, that ain't no estimate), so again I must bid thee adeu.
Sorry, that doesn't prove that there were no armed people in the majority of those situations. That's not how statistics work. It is not an even distribution and I don't think you're stupid enough to believe it is. You made an unprovable assertion.
Ok pal.
That's certainly one way to weasel out of the uncomfortable truth that statistics about owning any consumer good over a broad population in a capitalist system is not evenly distributed.
You're the one who doesn't want to engage, you can't then claim I'm "weaseling out." You've put forth no counter argument to argue further, this is your doing not mine, I'm just refusing to play your silly game.
I'm engaging with you this entire time and "that is not an even distribution" is literally a counter-argument. You just don't like it.
If it helps to use the 8% verifiable "CCW holders" then fine, there's still a low likelihood that any given person there has a gun to respond. The fact that you don't believe in "probability" isn't really my issue, everyone else understands it just fine.
Are you "refusing to play my silly game" or are you accepting that I am engaging with you and making a counter-argument and will continue to discuss this with me?
Because it can't be both.
I'm refusing to play by reiterating my original point and elaborating on said silly game of "nuh uh estimations and mathematical probability are fake news." Check your house for gas leaks.
And now that you've decided to hurl insults, we're done here.
Incidentally, a gas leak is one of the options I'm looking into in four to five years depending on the laws in Canada or certain other countries. Shall I let you know?
We've been done, you just refuse to shut up when someone politely declines your silly bullshit lol.
"Depending on the laws..." is it only legal to kill yourself or others with a gas leak in Canada? You planning on starting a gas leak? Not sure I want to know what you mean by that weird ass sentence but if you're experiencing suicidal or homicidal ideation of some sort please seek help, it's never the option you should take. I don't like you and don't let me know, but someone does I'm sure and I hope you get the help you need.
If you don't like me, wouldn't you want to know?
That's exactly what the medically-assisted euthanasia will be doing, so thank you. I thought you didn't like me.
No? Ideally we would just stop talking now and that's that. I don't hope you die or kill someone just because I don't like you, if you wish that on people just because you don't like them you seriously need help.
Although I suppose I didn't consider medically assisted, I'm not opposed to that, as much as I'm not a fan of you I'm sorry to hear it.
In any case fuck off.
Yes, again, the medically euthanasia is the help.
And I doubt you're sorry to hear it. You're certainly not sorry it's happening. But hearing it probably does make you uncomfortable. Too bad for you that your fragile senses have to be hurt by the idea of someone being euthanised.
And of course you want someone who you hate and think should fuck off to die. You just don't want to admit it to yourself. That's okay.
Ironic that someone who fantasizes about killing someone with a gun in a mass shooting is now saying that a bad person dying is bad.
Well technically it would also solve that problem, but I meant "mental help for wishing death against those you dislike" help, they're different "helps."
No I mean I'm sorry to hear it in a general "it sucks anyone should have to go through that" way, I don't have to like you, you suck.
I never said "die," I said "fuck off." As in "go away and stop talking to me." Are you really this dense or are you fucking with me?
What are you even on about? I never said I fantasize about mass shootings, I'm a hair away from reporting you which I do not do usually.
Why should it suck if someone you think is a bad person should have to go through that if it doesn't suck if a bad person gets shot? Would you prefer I be shot?
I never said it's good when someone gets shot either, you're sure a fan of putting words in other people's mouth.
What is good is self defense, what's not good is forgoing self defense in a futile attempt to rid a country of 600,000,000 guns, of their guns. Why don't you want women to be able to protect themselves from attacks? They are the fastest growing group of new owners for half a decade now, right above POC which is the second fastest, but you don't want women and POC to have their rights. (See, we can both play these stupid games.)
In fact since you like numbers, why don't we compare defensive gun uses to gun deaths yearly and see which one is more? I have all the figures if you're too lazy to look them up because I've already told them to 100 people just like you who are against defending yourself, but of course you'll just reject that too since it doesn't fit your narrow worldview hmm?
By the way are you aware of what the words "shut up and go away" mean? Do I need to use a different language? Cállate verga.
I'm aware that no one is forcing you to reply to me. You are free to shut up and go away yourself whenever you like if you wish for this conversation to end.
You clearly don't since you keep continuing it.
The thread has gotten so small my reply button disappeared, so I'm definitely not replying any further.
You dropped your argument btw.
I knew you wanted to keep talking to me. All that talk of wanting me to stop talking to you was a lie. Why did you lie?
And if you reply with claiming it wasn't a lie, it means you want to keep talking to me, which proves it's a lie. Good luck with that.