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[–] [email protected] 218 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.

"It's a big club, and she's in it."

Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.

A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.

If you think either party under it's current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you're deluding yourself.

The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Universal healthcare is not a newly proposed issue, either. Going at least as far back to FDR's administration, his Secretary of Labor (and architect of The New Deal) Frances Perkins even advocated for public healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.

Maybe if she gets a few felonies.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey, here's a thought. You know about the guy that shot a parasite in NY? AOC could try that too. She'd need enough vocal (and armed) popular support to avoid conviction (and retaliatory assassination) and it might turn into a civil war, but it might also work.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

you are playing into eurasias plan wtih a civil war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Too late, we're already in it and pretending it hasn't happened yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ideally, the support would be so overwhelming that it doesn't come to actual protracted violent conflict. But if the alternative is an erosion of civil rights by a greedy oligarchy, I have little faith that they'd actually oppose "eurasias plan" either, so it doesn't seem like there's much to lose here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you mean the oligarchs that exist in Russia today?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Sure, if that's what you want to look at for comparison, though America has plenty of its own (as do other nations). Pretty sure extreme wealth knows no allegiance but to itself. Nations are pawns to them, nationality a way to draw lines, nationalism a way to make people fight over those lines instead of fighting the vampires making bank off of that conflict.

Whether you'll end up under Russian exploitation, American exploitation, European exploitation, Chinese exploitation or literally any other oligarchy you could come up with doesn't really matter.

Better to fight for a chance at freedom than fall for the deception that a particular flag makes one parasite better than the other. And if it should come to violence, maybe it will at least train a force of veteran resistance fighters if the eurasian powers come knocking. We've got a live demonstration of how a motivated resistance can give an imperialist invader a hard time.

War is a waste of lives and resources and regrettable in any circumstance. I hope that changes for the better can happen without resulting in bloodshed and destruction. I hope for a better, happier, more prosperous future for all of us.