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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Did you guys check if yamagami had good politics before you officially lionized him on Hexbear? Or are you just navel gazing because Luigi is American?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

assad-must-stay

who-must-go

must-go

assad-pogger

It's almost like there's no consistency in the moderation and scolding

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

Mod responses on hexbear seem to be entirely based on which mods are awake and active in chat at any given time lol

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Dorner, doohickey guy, Teddy K, even arguably Aaron Bushnell being a US service member who directly aided in US imperialism, all had shitty takes and were adventurists who didn't directly overthrow the system as is through a systemic mass movement based around the materialist principles of Marxism. I do not care about Luigi that much one way or the other than it's funny an Italian guy blasted an evil mfer in the middle of NYC. it's just the flavour of the month news story and the mods demanding you post correctly about it with very little actual explaination of what that means leading to week long bans over not being the principled reading club of the vanguard again. one mans taillism is anothers propaganda of the deed, and discussion around that should be allowed as it is with the aformentioned people we literally have emojis of.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have no problem with people going around saying this guy isn't Lenin or whatever, they are right. I just don't think this post was warranted, and if anything, its going to prolong this whole thing. Also there is of course the lack of consistency on who gets to be "lionized".

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

for sure. a mod statement with mass action blows it way out of proportion. genuinely just wait like a month and few people will talk about this at all

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Evidently the fedmins need to shut down the discussion quicker than that

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

just for what its worth nobody got a week long ban for luigiposting, there was one handed out for hostility and DM harassment.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ok that's fair, I hadn't learnt about that. thank you for informing me! yeah that is a justified mod action

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe you should edit your comment to remove the claim comrade

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

when did hexbear ever hero worship the Shinzo Abe shooter? When was he ever more than a meme on this site.