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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (4 children)

grimly funniest part of all this is all the yankees showing their whole asses and betraying how feeble and vulgar their understanding of actual Marxist principles are. yeah, Luigi is just like Hamas dude. lenin-dont-laugh

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There's another post outside this one that compares him to Willem van Spronsen, an actual anarchist, who as part of his attack laid out the clear anarchist principles that lead him to firebomb the ICE Detention center in Tacoma in 2019. Literal brainworms.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah, what can you even say. i kinda have a vibes based thought that for underdeveloped USian leftists, the violence, the openness around advocating for it, is simply a big part of the appeal. so it's natural that they would latch onto this and try desperately to fit his actions into a leftist framework, when the Marxist-Leninist line on this quite clearly goes against them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's actually incredibly strange because this is quite literally the easiest country in the world to dome someone important in, our firearms laws are part of our neocolonialism scheme that we force on our neighbors (Mexico).

Americans have all the means to do this, they simply do not because the control scheme is too powerful. It ultimately doesn't matter what leftist framework you take broadly whether it's anarchism or ML. A successful strategy looks roughly the same and its ideological underpinnings are roughly the same.

At the end of the day the position is quite literally to wage a war the rest is just tactics.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

totally. there is a pervasive vulgar view of class struggle, that it just means "kill all the propertied people and anticommunists". completely putting the cart before the horse. education and agitation needs to remain the priority of any disciplined revolutionary movement. bottom-up violence will become politically viable as the contradictions heighten and existing systems continue to destabilise... patience is the key.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah eventually, and I really mean "eventually".

One of the main things that turned me from an MLM to an ancomm is that we tend to read the inevitability of the JDPON in the same way that Darwinian Liberals read "survival of the fittest". Inevitable doesn't mean easy, pain free, nice, straightforward, optimal or enjoyable. Just like "survival of the fittest" doesn't mean any of those things either. The niceties are superimposed by our minds because of the flowery language surrounding the idea. The technicals are where the brutal difficulty of the task (whether survival or enacting JDPON) tend to reside. Our inevitability in practice also caps at the point where life is no longer sustainable on this planet. There's a lot to learn from ML/M but the context under which those revolutions were won and the contexts in which they've been betrayed in are all expired and are not our context. Ancomm as an ideology is a study in the general problem.

A lot of Americans substitute the "just vote" that the liberal class mollifies them with, with an emotional adoration of violence mainly based on the individual gratification and catharsis of "being right". This isn't the recipe for revolution (in any realistic leftist sense), it's the recipe for revanchism. It's quite literally, as Mr. 1984 says, the future of humanity is a boot stomping on a human face over and over again forever. The paragraph preceding that quote isn't about evil scifi ultra totalitarianism, it's about a simple recipe for never ending emotional revanchism.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've never heard about this person!

Thank you for teaching me

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Ngl that made me livid. Gazans are actively fighting for their own survival that's not comparable to a single act of adventurism

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

We are so fucking treat brained fr fr

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

comparing this fascist adventurist to the fucking soviet union, stalin, and hamas is deeply unserious and everyone saying that really should be banned